WEBVTT NOTE Podcast: Acts 29 Vancouver Episode: Come Down the Mountain Publishing Date: 2011-04-03T06:00:44-07:00 Podcast URL: https://acts29.ca Episode URL: https://acts29.ca/come-down-the-mountain/ 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 Coming down the mountain and last week, am I good to go? 00:00:05.920 --> 00:00:09.600 Last week we talked about how we are the sons 00:00:09.600 --> 00:00:11.420 of the kingdom, sown into the world. 00:00:11.420 --> 00:00:14.120 Matthew 13 verse 38 says that, 00:00:14.120 --> 00:00:18.640 that we are the sons of the kingdom sown into the world. 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:23.640 And we have guys who have been sent from the mountain 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.200 of God to engage the Valley of men. 00:00:26.200 --> 00:00:28.260 That's what we said over the last two weeks. 00:00:28.260 --> 00:00:31.380 That one, we are sons of the kingdom sown into the world. 00:00:31.380 --> 00:00:33.580 Matthew 13 verse 38. 00:00:33.580 --> 00:00:37.660 And two, that we are being sent down the mountain 00:00:37.660 --> 00:00:40.420 to engage the Valley of men. 00:00:40.420 --> 00:00:42.380 Cause that's really where the world is. 00:00:43.620 --> 00:00:45.380 So if we are sons of the kingdom sown into the world, 00:00:45.380 --> 00:00:47.580 we have to engage the Valley of men. 00:00:47.580 --> 00:00:50.420 And we talked about how Jesus modeled us. 00:00:50.420 --> 00:00:53.420 You see that in Matthew 17 at the Mount of Transfiguration. 00:00:53.420 --> 00:00:56.020 And then he goes right down into the valley 00:00:56.020 --> 00:00:57.800 and meets up with the demoniac. 00:00:58.360 --> 00:01:00.360 And we talked about how he engaged the woman, 00:01:00.360 --> 00:01:04.480 the Samaritan woman at the well in Saika. 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:06.760 And so here's the thing guys, 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:10.120 God must be unveiled in the Valley of men. 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:15.120 It is insufficient that God be unveiled in this house. 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:16.040 That's wonderful. 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:18.680 I mean, it'd be terrible if God wasn't unveiled here 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:21.880 through the word and the breaking of bread, 00:01:21.880 --> 00:01:24.060 through the times of worship, 00:01:24.060 --> 00:01:26.960 through relationship with each other. 00:01:27.520 --> 00:01:30.080 I mean, it'd be terrible if God was not unveiled 00:01:30.080 --> 00:01:31.320 in our presence, 00:01:31.320 --> 00:01:35.000 but God needs to be unveiled in the Valley of men. 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.160 God must be unveiled in the Valley of men. 00:01:38.160 --> 00:01:43.160 And we have to grasp the heart of God towards man 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:45.760 to be able to engage with, 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:47.640 let me put it this way. 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:49.880 We have to understand God's heart towards man 00:01:49.880 --> 00:01:51.940 and how he engages with man. 00:01:52.900 --> 00:01:54.640 So that we can have a correct perspective 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:55.800 when we go down to the Valley. 00:01:55.800 --> 00:01:56.880 Let me say that again. 00:01:57.800 --> 00:02:00.600 God must be unveiled in the Valley of men. 00:02:00.600 --> 00:02:03.200 Remember, you are a living epistle. 00:02:04.440 --> 00:02:07.080 When you step into the Valley, 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:11.680 you must unveil God so people can know what God looks like. 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:13.320 But to do that, 00:02:13.320 --> 00:02:17.280 I need to grasp God's perspective 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:19.120 of how men should be engaged. 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:21.360 I need to see how he sees man. 00:02:22.480 --> 00:02:25.400 Only then can I go into the Valley with my perspective. 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:26.880 Otherwise, I'll go into the Valley 00:02:26.880 --> 00:02:28.200 with a Christian perspective. 00:02:28.200 --> 00:02:29.020 And by the way, 00:02:29.020 --> 00:02:31.840 the Christian perspective is often flawed. 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.960 I gotta go with a God perspective into the Valley of men. 00:02:38.600 --> 00:02:40.780 As a son and a servant, guys, 00:02:40.780 --> 00:02:45.080 my aim is to reveal what man is supposed to be 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:46.420 in relationship with God. 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:48.680 Let me say that again. 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.240 As a son and a servant, 00:02:51.160 --> 00:02:56.160 my aim is to reveal what man is supposed to be 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.080 in relationship to the Father. 00:02:58.080 --> 00:02:59.240 Just imagine that. 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:01.240 It's one of my primary callings 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:05.360 that I reveal what man is supposed to be 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.340 in relationship to the Father. 00:03:07.340 --> 00:03:08.400 Jesus did this. 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.680 Jesus would make these marvelous statements like, 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:12.440 I have come to show you the Father. 00:03:12.440 --> 00:03:13.880 He said that so many times. 00:03:13.880 --> 00:03:15.640 I have come to show you the Father. 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.480 And so one of the things that's demanded of you and me 00:03:19.480 --> 00:03:23.320 is that we reveal what man is supposed to be 00:03:23.320 --> 00:03:24.840 in relationship to the Father. 00:03:26.440 --> 00:03:27.480 But here's the thing. 00:03:27.480 --> 00:03:31.100 I cannot show what man is supposed to be 00:03:31.100 --> 00:03:32.600 in relationship to the Father 00:03:32.600 --> 00:03:37.080 if I don't understand the origin and intent 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.900 that God had for man when he made him in the image of God. 00:03:40.900 --> 00:03:43.240 I cannot show what man is supposed to be 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.040 in relationship with God 00:03:45.040 --> 00:03:47.800 unless I comprehend the origin of man, 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.520 unless I comprehend when God created man 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.160 and he said, I made man in my image. 00:03:53.160 --> 00:03:54.920 I need to get a grasp of this. 00:03:54.920 --> 00:03:57.180 It's been a fascinating week for me 00:03:57.180 --> 00:03:58.560 as I've played around with it. 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:02.880 I had dinner with, what's his name? 00:04:02.880 --> 00:04:05.680 Jason, sometime during the week. 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:07.080 And I was talking to him about it 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.280 and he was telling me about what he sees 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:11.600 the image of God as too. 00:04:11.600 --> 00:04:13.440 But that's what I wanna talk about. 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:16.800 I wanna talk about us understanding what it is 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.920 when God says, I made man in my image and my likeness. 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.380 So let's start with that. 00:04:23.380 --> 00:04:25.400 Guys, this might sound odd, 00:04:25.400 --> 00:04:28.820 but Jason and Eric will confirm this 00:04:28.820 --> 00:04:33.820 because they are educated that just as man, meaning us, 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:38.920 just as we build a temple and after building a temple, 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:42.080 put an image in the temple. 00:04:42.520 --> 00:04:47.520 So God for five days created this temple called the earth 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:48.600 and the universe. 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:53.600 And then on day six, he puts an image in the temple, 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:56.440 his image in the temple. 00:04:56.440 --> 00:05:00.400 And surprisingly that image was man. 00:05:02.840 --> 00:05:06.160 Just as man builds a temple 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.280 and then puts an image in the temple. 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.440 So God built over five days, 00:05:11.440 --> 00:05:14.680 a temple called the earth and the universe. 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:18.280 And then he puts his image in the temple. 00:05:18.280 --> 00:05:21.760 And that image that he put in the temple is us. 00:05:28.400 --> 00:05:30.320 Your brow is nodding up Diana. 00:05:30.320 --> 00:05:32.160 It is nodding up, cause I don't understand it 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:33.680 because the temple of God in Jerusalem 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:35.280 didn't have any image in it. 00:05:35.280 --> 00:05:37.120 So how does that work? 00:05:37.320 --> 00:05:38.560 How does that work? 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:40.800 Yeah, you're not supposed to have an image after that. 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:43.000 I'm not saying, I'm not taking a pagan idea 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:44.000 and promoting it. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.320 I'm saying the whole intent was to, 00:05:48.320 --> 00:05:50.680 just as we do it now, we've counterfeited it. 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.320 The world counterfeits it. 00:05:52.320 --> 00:05:54.160 But God created this beautiful thing. 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.960 And then he put his image in the middle of the beautiful thing. 00:05:56.960 --> 00:05:57.800 That is the original. 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.760 And then this is why the whole idea of idolatry 00:06:00.760 --> 00:06:01.840 thinks even more, 00:06:01.840 --> 00:06:05.440 because there is not supposed to be any image after that. 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:07.520 When we are the image of God, 00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:09.000 and then we bow before something 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:10.480 that's made of stone and wood, 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:11.680 it's even more perverse. 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:17.400 Yeah. 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:20.440 That's just a thought that would, 00:06:20.440 --> 00:06:21.920 a thought tickle your fancy. 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.120 Scratch under your neck or whatever. 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:32.120 Guys, man was made in the Hebrew word is T-S-E-L-E-M. 00:06:32.400 --> 00:06:35.440 Salem, shalem of God. 00:06:35.440 --> 00:06:37.400 Salem or Salem means image. 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:41.000 Okay. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.600 Man was made in the Salem or image of God. 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:44.960 And Salem at the end of the day, 00:06:44.960 --> 00:06:46.040 basically means 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:52.800 representative of the original. 00:06:58.600 --> 00:06:59.600 That's what it means. 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.200 So imagine this guys now. 00:07:03.080 --> 00:07:06.560 That every man, every man, 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:09.480 I mean I spent some time on Main Street yesterday 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:11.240 just sitting and watching people. 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.280 Every man, and we'll talk about that a little later. 00:07:14.280 --> 00:07:16.880 Every man, every man, 00:07:16.880 --> 00:07:18.800 every man, every man, 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:20.800 every man, every man, 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.600 every man, every man, 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.600 every man, every man, 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:26.320 every man, every man, 00:07:26.320 --> 00:07:27.800 every man, every man, 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:29.400 we'll talk about that a little later. 00:07:29.400 --> 00:07:33.200 Every man was made in the Salem or the image of God. 00:07:34.080 --> 00:07:37.400 Every man was created to be a deputy. 00:07:38.880 --> 00:07:41.680 Every man was created to be a deputy 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:43.480 or a representative of God. 00:07:54.440 --> 00:07:55.280 Every man. 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:57.680 Everybody. 00:07:57.680 --> 00:07:59.240 Everybody, just imagine that. 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.560 Hey, don't go off anywhere today, okay? 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:06.760 Because it's important to understand that. 00:08:06.760 --> 00:08:09.840 I can see some of you suddenly going off somewhere. 00:08:09.840 --> 00:08:12.000 So I just wanted to stop you from dreaming. 00:08:13.200 --> 00:08:15.920 Salem means image 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:17.960 between representative of the original. 00:08:17.960 --> 00:08:20.360 Every man on the face of the earth. 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:21.200 Yep. 00:08:21.200 --> 00:08:23.080 Just to clarify, this is the generic man, woman, man, 00:08:23.080 --> 00:08:24.480 not God. Yeah, yeah, always. 00:08:25.440 --> 00:08:27.680 Why would it ever be anything else? 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:30.320 But I think it needs to be clarified. 00:08:30.320 --> 00:08:32.120 Okay, this is gender-free. 00:08:34.560 --> 00:08:36.080 Every man was supposed to be a deputy. 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:38.040 Every man was supposed to be a representative of God. 00:08:38.040 --> 00:08:43.160 Every man was imbued with as a given. 00:08:43.160 --> 00:08:49.160 Every man was imbued with some capacity 00:08:49.160 --> 00:08:52.960 in terms of emotional, intellectual, 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.960 moral, relational capacity, 00:09:00.520 --> 00:09:05.520 relational capacity to a degree that reflected God. 00:09:08.760 --> 00:09:10.160 Every man was given this. 00:09:15.880 --> 00:09:18.320 Yeah, every man was created as a deputy 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:19.880 or a representative of God 00:09:20.880 --> 00:09:25.880 and imbued with a degree of, 00:09:26.560 --> 00:09:30.920 imbued with a degree of God's relational, emotional, 00:09:30.920 --> 00:09:33.760 intellectual, and moral capacity. 00:09:33.760 --> 00:09:38.440 Every man was created as a deputy 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.400 or a representative of God 00:09:40.400 --> 00:09:43.720 and imbued with a degree of God's relational, 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.840 emotional, intellectual, and moral capacity. 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:49.160 And guys, this is the identity of man. 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:50.680 This is the identity of man. 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:53.880 I'm not talking about Christians now. 00:09:53.880 --> 00:09:55.920 I'm talking about every man. 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.360 That's the beauty of this. 00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:05.760 On track, Jason. 00:10:12.160 --> 00:10:13.680 Guys, the difference is, 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:17.760 every man was then supposed to function 00:10:17.760 --> 00:10:20.120 as an obedient servant. 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:23.800 Every man was supposed to function as an obedient servant 00:10:26.400 --> 00:10:30.760 so that he could be, 00:10:30.760 --> 00:10:32.480 again, he is genderless, 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:37.480 he could be an exact representation of God. 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:40.160 Every man was supposed to function 00:10:40.160 --> 00:10:43.640 as an obedient servant here on earth, 00:10:43.640 --> 00:10:44.480 starting with Adam, 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:47.520 so that he could be an exact representation of God on earth. 00:10:47.520 --> 00:10:50.960 That is the origin and intent of God for man. 00:10:54.880 --> 00:10:56.720 Functioning as obedient servants, 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.720 man was supposed to be an exact representation of God 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:00.560 on earth. 00:11:00.560 --> 00:11:02.680 So, every man was supposed to function 00:11:02.680 --> 00:11:04.960 as an obedient servant here on earth, 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:05.800 starting with Adam, 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:08.480 so that he could be an exact representation of God. 00:11:12.400 --> 00:11:13.960 I'm fascinated by the thought 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:17.280 that every man is supposed to be a deputy of God. 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.160 Every man is supposed to be a representative of God. 00:11:25.800 --> 00:11:28.720 Every man is imbued with some moral, relational, 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.000 emotional, and spiritual, 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.480 relational and intellectual capacity 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:36.880 of God. 00:11:36.880 --> 00:11:38.720 This is his identity. 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:40.400 And I'm not talking about Christians. 00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:44.120 I'm talking about Muslims, Hindus, animists, 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:48.640 witches, pagans, New Agers, Catholics, Protestants, 00:11:48.640 --> 00:11:51.320 Charismatics, Pentecostals, and you. 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:52.160 All of them. 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.960 So, we were supposed to function as obedient servants 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.520 so that we could be an exact representation of him. 00:12:00.520 --> 00:12:05.000 But man fell away from being an exact representation. 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.760 But man fell away from being an exact representation. 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:14.160 But man fell away from being an exact representation. 00:12:19.920 --> 00:12:22.200 Man fell away from being an exact representation 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.520 when he chose being like God 00:12:26.520 --> 00:12:29.520 over being a representative of God. 00:12:29.520 --> 00:12:31.760 He chose being like God 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:36.440 over being a representative of God. 00:12:44.400 --> 00:12:46.680 He was supposed to be an exact representation. 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:52.600 But he fell away 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.360 when he chose being like God 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.040 over being a representative of God. 00:13:02.760 --> 00:13:05.920 So the counterfeit, which is Satan, 00:13:05.920 --> 00:13:08.880 deceived the duplicate, which is me, 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:14.360 into grasping for equality with the original 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:17.680 and in doing so distorted who I could have been. 00:13:20.800 --> 00:13:22.320 And yet Jesus reverses that. 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.160 When in Philippians 2,6, what does he say? 00:13:24.160 --> 00:13:25.520 Even though he was equal with God 00:13:25.520 --> 00:13:27.400 and could have grasped equality with God, 00:13:27.400 --> 00:13:29.320 he chooses not to. 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.440 So the counterfeit deceived the duplicate 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.400 into grasping for equality with the original 00:13:34.400 --> 00:13:36.040 and in the process, 00:13:36.040 --> 00:13:38.120 exact representation goes out of the window. 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:39.120 Go ahead, man. 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.200 Who would the observer supposed to be for this representation? 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.120 Like the angels already saw God and knew who he was. 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:46.520 There was a whole realm. 00:13:46.520 --> 00:13:49.720 There was a whole realm of creation 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:51.120 that had to be stewarded over. 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.240 And then there was a whole realm of the angelic that had rebelled. 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.200 And if you start off with Genesis 1, 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.280 it talks about how the angelic rebelled. 00:13:58.280 --> 00:14:01.240 It talks about how the earth was a chaotic mass. 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:04.840 And then the Holy Spirit was brooding over the void. 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:06.960 And then God started creating. 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.440 So there was representation needed, 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.880 not just to steward what was already created, 00:14:11.880 --> 00:14:14.400 but to bring into order that which was out of order. 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:16.880 And we're doing that now. 00:14:17.760 --> 00:14:20.880 Going up to the high places. 00:14:20.880 --> 00:14:24.080 The deputy part was supposed to be enforcers over the quality. 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:27.080 Stewards and enforcers, very quiet. 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.000 Stewardship, governance, enforcing. 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:37.080 Man gave names to all the animals in the beginning, long time ago. 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.080 Bob Dylan. 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:39.680 Can you repeat what you said? 00:14:39.680 --> 00:14:42.480 Man gave names to all the animals. 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:43.480 Sorry. 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.480 I think you're thinking of actually naming this. 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:46.480 What did you say? 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:49.080 Governance, stewardship and enforcement. 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:50.280 Thank you. 00:14:50.280 --> 00:14:51.280 Yeah. 00:14:52.680 --> 00:14:55.680 Guys, but despite this, remember, 00:14:55.680 --> 00:14:57.880 and this is so important, 00:14:57.880 --> 00:15:01.280 despite this, the identity of every man, 00:15:01.280 --> 00:15:04.680 please, perish the thought of Christians right now. 00:15:04.680 --> 00:15:07.280 Despite all this happening, 00:15:07.280 --> 00:15:11.080 the identity of every man, 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.480 the identity of every man, 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:21.280 the identity of every man 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:26.880 in terms of origin and intent, 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.080 the identity of every man in terms of origin and intent 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:42.080 is still that, is still that of an image bearer, 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:46.680 of an image bearer, 00:15:46.680 --> 00:15:51.280 is still that of an image bearer, 00:15:51.280 --> 00:15:54.880 is still that of an image bearer 00:15:54.880 --> 00:15:59.280 or representative of God, 00:16:03.880 --> 00:16:12.280 commissioned to act on His behalf. 00:16:46.680 --> 00:16:55.480 Okay, guys, this applies to every person on the face of the Earth. 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:58.480 The identity of every man in terms of origin and intent 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:00.480 is still that of an image bearer 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.280 or a representative of God, 00:17:02.280 --> 00:17:04.480 commissioned to act on His behalf. 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.280 This is the first time in history 00:17:07.280 --> 00:17:09.280 that we've ever seen it happen. 00:17:09.280 --> 00:17:11.280 This is the first time in history 00:17:11.280 --> 00:17:12.880 that we've ever seen it happen. 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:14.280 This is the first time in history 00:17:14.280 --> 00:17:15.480 that we've ever seen it happen. 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:22.480 of God commissioned to act on his behalf of every person on the face of the earth. He's 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:28.440 still an image bearer, she's still an image bearer, he or she is still a representative 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:35.440 of God and he or she still is commissioned to act on his behalf. God does not rescind 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:45.200 the representative nature of man guys, God does not rescind the representative nature 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:52.240 of God. Just imagine that, God does not rescind, he does not revoke, he does not annul the 00:17:54.360 --> 00:18:01.360 representative nature of man. He does not do that. I mean the Bible is full of stories 00:18:02.520 --> 00:18:08.360 where someone who is a representative really messes up. I was thinking of Peter, one of 00:18:08.360 --> 00:18:13.960 the first guys to be called, one of the first guys to be set up as a leader, one of the 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:19.760 first guys who is given a heavenly revelation of who Christ is, one of the first guys who 00:18:19.760 --> 00:18:25.000 sees the empty tomb, one of the first guys who walks on water, one of the first, one 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:30.760 of the first, one of the first, one of the first guys and yet he's also the guy that 00:18:30.760 --> 00:18:36.040 completely messes up his representation when he goes and denies the one who he represents 00:18:36.040 --> 00:18:43.040 with curses and foul words and yet it does not rescind the representative nature of man 00:18:44.320 --> 00:18:49.480 that Peter was supposed to be. In fact, God goes out of his way to restore him and set 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:56.480 him up again as a representative. So please understand that this applies to every believer. 00:18:59.520 --> 00:19:03.960 It changes the way we look at people man. That every man you will see on the street, 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:09.380 every person you will meet, as obnoxious as they may be or as wonderful as they may be, 00:19:09.380 --> 00:19:16.380 they are all still image bearers or representatives of God, actually commissioned to act on his 00:19:16.380 --> 00:19:23.380 behalf, if they can come into a place of servitude or obedience. We'll talk about that a little 00:19:25.380 --> 00:19:31.820 later. Man may have wanted independence from the father, he may have squandered his inheritance, 00:19:31.820 --> 00:19:36.820 he may have hired himself out to the citizen of a foreign country, he may have filled his 00:19:36.820 --> 00:19:43.820 stomach with pods, he may be sleeping with the pigs and yet there's a ring, a robe, a 00:19:44.420 --> 00:19:51.420 sandal, a fatted calf and a father waiting for him to restore him back into who he should 00:19:51.700 --> 00:19:57.100 be. He comes and says I want to be one as one of your servants and he says no but you're 00:19:57.100 --> 00:20:03.740 my son, you're supposed to represent me. So even after having squandered his inheritance, 00:20:03.740 --> 00:20:08.300 fed his stomach with pods, sleeping with the pigs, hiring himself out as a slave to 00:20:08.300 --> 00:20:15.300 a foreign ruler, guess what awaits him? A ring, a robe, sandals and a fatted calf and 00:20:16.100 --> 00:20:21.900 above all the father waiting to restore. God does not rescind the representative nature 00:20:21.900 --> 00:20:28.900 of man. Remember that. Remember that. 00:20:33.740 --> 00:20:40.740 Guys, sear this in your memory. Sear this in your memory. God's view of the identity 00:20:41.420 --> 00:20:47.220 of man in terms of origin and intent is still that of an image bearer or representative 00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:52.700 of God commissioned to act on his behalf. My heart was so joyful yesterday as I was 00:20:52.700 --> 00:20:59.700 parked on Main Street waiting for somebody, just parked there and I was saying to myself 00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:05.140 wow, people were passing me by and not too many of them looked Christian but I was sitting 00:21:05.140 --> 00:21:09.540 there thinking oh shucks, there goes a representative of God, an image bearer of God who is commissioned 00:21:09.540 --> 00:21:16.540 to act on his behalf. It was mind blowing to see Sardarji's, Punjabi's, Hindus, Muslims 00:21:19.300 --> 00:21:25.940 walking past me and all of them suddenly recognizing them as ones made in the image of God, ones 00:21:26.020 --> 00:21:33.020 who are representatives of God and that representative nature has not been rescinded. That they bear 00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:40.820 his image, that they are imbued with certain intellectual, moral, relational and emotional 00:21:40.820 --> 00:21:47.820 qualities straight from God and that they are actually commissioned to act on his behalf. 00:21:48.940 --> 00:21:55.420 And my heart was joyful because suddenly I had pleasure in man. It was a strange, strange 00:21:55.460 --> 00:22:02.460 feeling. I actually took pleasure in man. Again, right now it's definitely genderless. 00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:08.140 I actually took pleasure in this thing called man. It's fascinating to watch these men and 00:22:08.140 --> 00:22:15.140 women go by. I thought to myself, father this is so cool. I have been joyful about mountains 00:22:15.140 --> 00:22:22.140 and sunsets and aircrafts and friends but never about man in general. I get sometimes 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:29.140 more excited about a dolphin or a tiger than man. But this is the zenith of his creation 00:22:29.900 --> 00:22:35.180 and he is wonderfully made. Fearfully and wonderfully made took on a whole new meaning 00:22:35.180 --> 00:22:42.180 for me. Sear this in your mind so that we operate from a different vantage point. You 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:49.180 have to practice this guys. Everybody. Everyone you meet on the street, everyone you meet 00:22:54.980 --> 00:23:01.980 at work. Guys, we are made in the image of God. So here's the other thing that is fascinating. 00:23:02.140 --> 00:23:09.140 Whatever I do to people, I do to a representative of God and thereby I do to God. Just imagine 00:23:09.980 --> 00:23:16.980 that. We are made in the image of God. Therefore, whatever I do to people, I do to a representative 00:23:19.300 --> 00:23:26.300 of God and thereby I do it to God. Matthew 21, 33 has this parable where the landlord 00:23:26.300 --> 00:23:32.300 sends some servants to the vineyard and the farm hands kill him. So he sends some more 00:23:32.300 --> 00:23:37.300 servants. They kill them too. Then he sends his son and they kill the son too. Now the 00:23:37.300 --> 00:23:41.980 parable is about the kingdom but why do you think the landlord is getting upset about 00:23:41.980 --> 00:23:46.300 what is happening? Because he is sending his representatives and every time they do any 00:23:46.300 --> 00:23:53.300 harm to his representative, they are doing it to him. So he sends his son to the vineyard 00:23:53.380 --> 00:24:00.380 and the farm hands kill him. So because we are made in the image of God, whatever I do 00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:08.220 to you, a representative of God, I am doing to God. Now do you see why Matthew 25, 35 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:14.380 onwards makes a lot of sense where it says when did we see you thirsty? When did we see 00:24:14.380 --> 00:24:21.380 you hungry? When did we see you in prison? And Jesus' reply is as you did to the least 00:24:21.380 --> 00:24:28.380 of them you did to me. Whatever I do to someone else who bears the image of God means I am 00:24:34.340 --> 00:24:37.500 doing it to the representative of God and whatever I do to him I do to God. Again it 00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:44.500 is not about Christians. Much more so when it is a Christian because now you are also 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:51.700 messing around with the son or daughter of the father. I think I told you how this lady 00:24:54.100 --> 00:24:59.080 in another church was making fun of me and I wanted to lash back at her and then decided 00:24:59.080 --> 00:25:03.240 not to and as I was driving away I told the Lord that father I really wanted to give it 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.020 to her but I stepped back but I am really feeling bad about the way she was making fun 00:25:07.020 --> 00:25:10.940 of me and his response was mind blowing. He said Jacob thank you for being kind to one 00:25:10.940 --> 00:25:17.420 of my daughters and it blew my mind and filled my eyes with tears and I said to the Lord 00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:24.420 you are so easy to please I will do this for you any day. So much more so if it is a child 00:25:26.420 --> 00:25:31.580 of God. When we do things for a representative we are actually doing things for the one he 00:25:31.580 --> 00:25:38.580 represents. Distorted though the representative may be. Guys here are some other things that 00:25:38.780 --> 00:25:44.580 are fascinating about the people in the valley. If we engage the valley of men we will not 00:25:44.580 --> 00:25:49.660 be able to engage them if we don't have this perspective. Know this that everyone you engage 00:25:49.660 --> 00:25:56.660 in the valley of men has an eternal spirit. Everyone has an eternal spirit. Know this 00:25:57.660 --> 00:26:04.660 that everyone was supposed to know God, love God and dwell in his presence for eternity. 00:26:05.060 --> 00:26:09.700 That was the origin and intent for every person you meet. Every person you meet at Lufthansa 00:26:09.700 --> 00:26:16.700 or you meet at your place or you meet at Tellus or you meet in a boat. Every person you meet 00:26:17.580 --> 00:26:24.580 was meant to love, know and dwell with God. Do you see why the approach of you will go 00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:32.320 to hell is not necessarily the best approach? That should be used as a last means when they 00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:35.880 don't listen to you and when you've thumped the bible on their head and they still don't 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:42.160 respond then threaten them with hell. I'm just kidding guys. The point is that there's a 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:46.320 whole different way of approaching it. There is not a single person on the face of the 00:26:46.320 --> 00:26:53.320 earth whose sins are not paid for. That always blows me away. That everyone is purple with 00:26:53.480 --> 00:27:00.080 the blood of Jesus Christ. There's not a person on the earth whose sins have not been paid 00:27:00.080 --> 00:27:05.000 for. That they have not appropriated it is different. Guys there are only two kinds of 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:12.000 people then. There are those that are reconciled and those that are redeemed. In a sense of 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:19.400 speaking in 2nd Corinthians 5 19 it says God through Jesus was reconciling the whole world 00:27:20.120 --> 00:27:27.120 to himself through the cross. So God has done the job of reconciliation but not everyone 00:27:28.120 --> 00:27:33.120 who God has done the job of reconciliation for are redeemed because they have failed 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:40.120 to appropriate salvation. You don't have to hold on to that one. I just like the sentence 00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:48.120 because that can sometimes mess us up. If you don't say it properly they'll think we believe 00:27:48.120 --> 00:27:55.120 in universal salvation. That's not what I'm saying but I just like the sentence. I'm not 00:27:57.120 --> 00:28:03.120 saying that. Guys once we have this mindset we'll respect the dignity of every man and 00:28:03.120 --> 00:28:10.120 we'll confer equal worth on them. We won't grumble about tax collectors and sinners sitting 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.920 at the table as the Pharisees did in Luke 5. Why does your master go around sitting 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:22.920 around with tax collectors and sinners? Won't have that attitude. Won't have that attitude. 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:30.920 Hey remember something you were once in this category. Some of you 20 years ago, some of 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:42.920 you 4 years ago, some of you 40 years ago. Don't want to go beyond that and insult people. 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:49.920 Isn't that awesome man? Thanks for some of the things that you brought up Jason during 00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:02.440 dinner because it really helped me with putting it all together. So questions, comments? Yep? 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:09.440 What you're pointing us out to is our primary identity. Primary means first and secondary 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:30.160 means second. So you're saying that our primary identity was and is being an image bearer. 00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:36.520 The secondary thing was that we fell away. It happened second. And I think the reason 00:29:36.520 --> 00:29:41.280 why we've got this whole thing messed up and you even have to do this teaching is because 00:29:41.280 --> 00:29:47.480 out of the reformation what happened is we've been taught since the time of Luther that 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:54.480 our primary identity is as sinners. Our primary identity is original sin was one of the biggest 00:29:54.480 --> 00:30:01.480 emphasized theological platforms of the reformation and ever since then we're taught sinner, sinner, 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:11.640 sinner, sinner, sinner, sinner. But our primary identity first was image bearer. Wow. Praise 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:18.400 God. Thank you. Let me just say it for the sake of the CD. What Eric just said and he's 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.800 one of those educated people. I just want to throw that in every time you say something 00:30:22.800 --> 00:30:29.360 powerful. What Eric just said was that during the reformation or one of the outcomes of 00:30:29.360 --> 00:30:36.360 the reformation was the shift of man's identity to that of a sinner. And when actually our 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:42.840 primary identity is that we are image bearers or exact representations or supposed to be 00:30:42.840 --> 00:30:49.840 an exact representation of God or a representative of God made in the Salem or image of God, 00:30:50.040 --> 00:30:54.600 a representative of the original. And that's what we've lost. So we go back to this whole 00:30:54.600 --> 00:31:01.600 thing of sinner save, sinner save and therefore divide man as lower and higher. Are they? 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:09.640 Now you'll have to think of your relatives a little differently. Any other comments or 00:31:10.080 --> 00:31:10.640 questions? 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:17.640 How then do you address sin? Just ignore it? Like the boisterous aggressive sin of society 00:31:20.080 --> 00:31:21.880 or the boisterous sin of the people of God? 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:26.720 I would first address the boisterous, what is the other word? The boisterous aggressive 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:33.120 sin of the people of God and then the boisterous aggressive sin of society. At least society 00:31:33.120 --> 00:31:40.120 is functioning according to their original DNA. We are not. We have Christ in us. We 00:31:41.520 --> 00:31:48.520 should be exhibiting a different crop. At least society is doing what they're doing 00:31:49.840 --> 00:31:53.840 and what their default is. 00:31:53.840 --> 00:31:56.840 In essence we've been deceived. 00:31:56.840 --> 00:32:02.840 Yep. I'm not talking about condoning sin guys. I'm talking about looking at now humans 00:32:02.840 --> 00:32:08.760 as made in the image of God and not looking at humans as sinners. That's not the first 00:32:08.760 --> 00:32:13.760 way we look at them. Because the moment we look at them as sinners, it changes everything. 00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:20.760 Could it also be that we actually need to look at the individuals and not just think 00:32:20.760 --> 00:32:23.760 society as a whole but each individual? 00:32:23.760 --> 00:32:24.760 Yeah. Each individual. 00:32:24.760 --> 00:32:31.760 And try this. Sit one day by the sidewalk and watch people and keep saying, there goes 00:32:32.280 --> 00:32:37.160 another one of the representatives of God commissioned to act on his behalf, image bearers, 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:43.120 imbued with relational, emotional, moral and intellectual capabilities to a degree. Oh 00:32:43.120 --> 00:32:47.040 that's there goes another one of them. Doesn't look like me at all. But there goes another 00:32:47.040 --> 00:32:48.040 one of them. 00:32:48.040 --> 00:32:51.040 Actually if I could please, sometimes when I'm at a red light, people are crossing and 00:32:51.040 --> 00:32:58.040 I have this thought, not to the extent that you've just talked about, that this is somebody 00:32:58.040 --> 00:33:03.040 that was actually created to be in the image of God. Like as I see them walk by. 00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:04.040 Yeah. 00:33:04.040 --> 00:33:05.040 But this as the as well. 00:33:05.040 --> 00:33:08.600 I've never been joyful about as I was. I felt such joy man. 00:33:08.600 --> 00:33:09.600 It has a lot to it. 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:16.000 It was so much fun watching people. Any other comments, questions, additions? Hey you cut 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.000 your hair. 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.000 That's just a sermon illustration. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.000 That's just a sermon illustration. Yeah. 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.000 What's that? 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.000 Your mom. 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.000 That's good. 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.000 I'm sure she didn't cut it herself. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:37.000 No it looks quite okay. Okay moving on then let's take another aspect that we need to 00:33:37.360 --> 00:33:44.360 understand if we are to engage the value of men. Does anyone want to add anything before 00:33:44.560 --> 00:33:49.200 I move on? No. 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:55.560 The other thing we need to understand if we engage the value of men is the fact that if 00:33:55.560 --> 00:33:58.960 we are coming down from the mountain, what are we bringing down from the mountain? 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:03.000 We talk about, oh don't want to stay on the mountain of the Lord, have to go down and 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.680 engage the value of the value of men. 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:08.480 So what are you bringing down from the mountain to the value of men? If you're coming empty 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.040 handed you might as well stay up on the mountain a little longer. 00:34:12.040 --> 00:34:19.040 So let's go to Isaiah 2 verses 2 to 4. 00:34:20.040 --> 00:34:27.040 Isaiah 2, Isaiah 2, 2 to 4. 00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:38.320 Here's what it says, in the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.960 as chief among the mountains. It will be raised above the hills and all the nations will stream 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.240 to it. 00:34:45.240 --> 00:34:49.480 And this is the part I want us to look at. Many people will come and say, come let us 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.480 go up to the mountain of the Lord. Guys they won't be able to go up to the mountain of 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.640 the Lord till I come down from the mountain and engage the value of men. 00:34:57.640 --> 00:35:04.640 Jesus came down so that men could go up. 00:35:07.080 --> 00:35:10.200 Come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.440 teach us His ways so that we may walk in His paths. The law will go out of Zion. The word 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.720 of the Lord from Jerusalem. 00:35:17.720 --> 00:35:21.560 Come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will 00:35:21.560 --> 00:35:26.400 teach us His ways so that we may walk in His paths. The law will go out of Zion and the 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.320 word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:32.320 Guys people can't go up to the mountain if I don't come down from the mountain and engage 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.480 and impact the value of men. But what am I supposed to bring down from the mountain when 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.720 I go down into the valley? And that's what we want to talk about. 00:35:38.720 --> 00:35:44.520 So the first thing is in verse, the first part of verse, the second part of verse 3. 00:35:44.520 --> 00:35:51.160 He will teach us His ways. So the first thing we bring down from the mountain is teaching 00:35:51.160 --> 00:35:56.000 His ways. First one is teach us His ways. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:03.000 Guys here's the thing. I need then if I come down from the mountain to be able to instruct 00:36:03.640 --> 00:36:09.000 for accurate living according to the word of God. I need to come down from the mountain 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:16.000 and I have to be able to instruct ways of accurate living based on the word of God. 00:36:19.720 --> 00:36:25.160 I have to be able to do that. 00:36:25.160 --> 00:36:32.160 Malachi 2 verses 6 and 7 says this. It says that a priest should have trust in God. 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:39.600 True instruction on his lips or in his mouth. A priest should have true instruction on his 00:36:39.600 --> 00:36:45.040 lips or in his mouth. And then it goes on to say and priests are the kind of people 00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:50.920 to whom men will come to seek the instruction on their lips. They don't have to go blabbering 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:56.980 it or stand on a soap box. They are the kind of people who to begin with have true instruction 00:36:56.980 --> 00:37:03.980 in their mouth and what follows is that people come and seek it of them. 00:37:10.060 --> 00:37:15.380 So the first point is teach us His ways as an instruction for accurate living based on 00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:22.380 scripture. Understand that as you come down as a priest king into the valley that true 00:37:23.060 --> 00:37:30.060 instruction must be on your lips and you must have the kind of...you have to dress up like 00:37:31.820 --> 00:37:35.140 people so that they can come to you and seek it of you. You can't come down in the royal 00:37:35.140 --> 00:37:41.740 robes of a king from the mountain. They will send you right back up into your palace. 00:37:41.740 --> 00:37:48.740 And here is another thing. Guys examine yourself. Malachi says consider your ways. Here is a 00:37:48.740 --> 00:37:55.740 thing. What shall I say of you? What shall God say of you? Or what shall you say of me? 00:37:56.580 --> 00:38:03.580 Will it be Hebrews 512 or will it be 2 Timothy 2 2? Will it be Hebrews 512 or will it be 00:38:04.780 --> 00:38:10.420 2 Timothy 2 2? This is when I need to hear the sound of pages turning. Will it be Hebrews 00:38:10.420 --> 00:38:17.420 512 or will it be 2 Timothy 2 2? Yeah that's the right sound. Now if you can get to those 00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:24.420 scriptures too. Hebrews 512 or 2 Timothy 2 2? Which will it be? I can't hear your digital 00:38:34.700 --> 00:38:41.700 Bible James. Okay. Hebrews 512 says this. Hebrews 512 says that in fact though by this 00:38:42.380 --> 00:38:49.380 time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God. 00:38:50.660 --> 00:38:57.660 All over again. You need milk not solid food. And now 2 Timothy 2 2. No it's not 2 Timothy 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:06.840 2 2. I'm going to read it again. It's not 2 Timothy 2 2. It's not 2 Timothy 2 2. It's 00:39:11.700 --> 00:39:16.620 not 2 Timothy 2 2. No it is. It is. Yeah. And the things you have heard me say in the 00:39:16.620 --> 00:39:22.380 presence of many witnesses and trust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others. 00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:27.060 So my question to you and your question to me should be where are you at Jacob? Or where 00:39:27.060 --> 00:39:34.060 are you at Diana? By now you should be teachers. I'm not talking about operating in the function 00:39:35.060 --> 00:39:42.060 of a teacher. I'm saying by now if you've been here for three and a half years by now 00:39:42.060 --> 00:39:49.060 you should be teachers. And when I say teachers I mean not teaching anything. Teaching accurate 00:39:49.380 --> 00:39:55.380 teaching bringing down instruction for accurate living. So my question to you is where are 00:39:55.380 --> 00:40:02.380 you at? I'm not talking about giving a testimony. I'm not talking about telling a person that 00:40:04.060 --> 00:40:10.460 people how to get saved. Those are elementary teachings. That's what Paul is talking about. 00:40:10.460 --> 00:40:14.700 That do I have to go back and visit elementary teaching? I'm talking about teaching and instructing 00:40:14.700 --> 00:40:21.700 in the ways of life. Where are you at? And you can ask that of me too. Where am I at? 00:40:26.860 --> 00:40:30.820 Have what you heard in the presence of witnesses over the last three and a half years in this 00:40:30.820 --> 00:40:36.340 church? Has it been trusted now to reliable men and women who can now go and teach it 00:40:36.340 --> 00:40:43.340 to others? And if you're still struggling with elementary teachings why? Hey you're 00:40:54.260 --> 00:40:58.260 going down from the mountains you better make sure of this because we ain't going down from 00:40:58.260 --> 00:41:05.260 the mountains to get a few people saved. Comments? Disagreements? Chaffing? No? Hong Kong? Great. 00:41:05.260 --> 00:41:12.260 Hey look at the way I'm coming and saying this to you. You have a right to speak back 00:41:12.260 --> 00:41:19.260 in a gentler tone but you can challenge me too. Okay second thing that happens there 00:41:21.700 --> 00:41:28.700 in Isaiah 2 2 is teach us his ways to be a good teacher. He's teaching us how to be a good teacher. 00:41:30.220 --> 00:41:37.220 He's teaching us how to be a good teacher. He's teaching us how to be a good teacher. 00:41:37.540 --> 00:41:43.740 Okay second thing that happens there in Isaiah 2 2 is teach us his ways then it says walk 00:41:43.740 --> 00:41:50.740 in his paths. Guys please take what I just questioned you seriously. I told you this 00:41:50.740 --> 00:41:57.740 is a season when this house is going to come down the mountain. Do not be like Ahimaaz who 00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:12.260 will come down the mountain and will want to do something while he's supposed to do 00:42:12.260 --> 00:42:16.840 something he's doing something else and never gets a job done. Do not be like that. Step 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:21.920 into the opportunity or the window or the season that God has created for us. These 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:26.160 are not functions. These are not gifting. These are not graces. This is simple. You 00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:33.160 should be able to teach accurate ways by now says Paul. Okay and it doesn't matter whether 00:42:35.640 --> 00:42:42.600 you're skilled at speaking or not. This has nothing to do with speaking. Okay walk in 00:42:42.600 --> 00:42:49.600 his paths. Guys to walk in his paths is to model behavior and patterns of accurate living. 00:42:50.560 --> 00:42:54.480 The first one is teach us his ways. Second is walk in his paths. To walk in his paths 00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:59.460 is to model behavior and patterns of accurate living. The Pharisees could teach but they 00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:03.480 could not impart a pattern that was worthy to be followed. Let me say that again. The 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:09.760 Pharisees could teach but they could not model a pattern or a path that was worthy to be 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:15.400 followed. They could only teach. So now once we've finished the teaching his ways now we 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:22.400 got to show the valley of men what it is to walk in his paths or his ways. So show me 00:43:25.020 --> 00:43:32.020 how you model a pattern of living among other things. Yes show me how you model a pattern 00:43:33.020 --> 00:43:40.020 of living of accurate living. Prove that sorry go ahead James. Go ahead. By listening and 00:43:41.780 --> 00:43:48.780 then you'll have to translate it into a pattern of living. It has to show. Guys prove that 00:43:49.580 --> 00:43:53.640 you're not subverted by foreign values. Prove that you won't drink the king's wine or eat 00:43:53.640 --> 00:43:57.440 his meat. Prove that you know how to stand in the systems of men. Prove that you can 00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:04.360 display the grace and wisdom of God standing in the systems of men. Okay. Like Daniel 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:09.720 prove that you're not subverted by foreign values. Foreign as in foreign to your kingdom 00:44:09.720 --> 00:44:16.720 culture. Prove it. Show me a pattern of living. You should demand that of me. Jacob you say 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:23.960 this show me your pattern of living. Show me your pattern of living. So this is the 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.940 pattern. Prove that you're not subverted by foreign values. Prove that you won't eat 00:44:31.940 --> 00:44:38.940 the king's meat or drink his wine. Surprisingly they tried doing that with him but he maintained 00:44:45.520 --> 00:44:52.120 how he stand in the middle of the system that was holding him as a captive and established 00:44:52.120 --> 00:44:57.460 a plumb line that had the very king who brought in that system to bow down and say your God 00:44:57.460 --> 00:45:04.460 is God. Prove that you know how to stand in the systems of the world and yet display the 00:45:07.720 --> 00:45:14.720 grace and the wisdom of God. Guys pattern and model accurate living. That's something 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.200 that we have to take down from the mountain. That's the second thing they say people from 00:45:18.200 --> 00:45:25.200 the mountain will bring down. I mean I have to internalize within me three things guys. 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:33.360 I have to internalize within me the nature or the character of God, the methods he operates 00:45:34.120 --> 00:45:39.800 and the ways he walks. Let me say it again. If I want to pattern or model the ways of 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:46.800 God here on earth I have to then internalize or I have to so root my own pattern of living 00:45:48.200 --> 00:45:55.200 myself in knowing how Jesus' methods of operation are, in knowing Jesus' nature and character 00:45:56.040 --> 00:46:00.800 and in knowing Jesus' way of walking. Once these become what I'm rooted in, once this 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.640 becomes what I hunger after, once this becomes what I want to imitate then it is natural 00:46:05.640 --> 00:46:12.640 for me to begin to model or pattern a way of living that will be so in sync with God. 00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:19.640 What's the difference between ways he walks and methods of operation? Jesus had certain 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:26.720 his walk was how he used to conduct himself with people, his nature was who he really 00:46:26.720 --> 00:46:33.480 was. But then with everything he had a method of operation that came through, hearing and 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:39.000 then doing, there are so many clues in the Bible in terms of how Jesus would operate 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.400 in different situations. And yet there is his nature which is everything that the Holy 00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:50.400 Spirit is, gentle, kind, full of self-control, goodness, meekness, faithfulness and then 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:56.720 there is walking in his ways which is to walk like Jesus did in humility. Method of operation 00:46:56.720 --> 00:47:01.680 has to do more with the doing, nature has to do with his very life and the way he walked 00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:08.680 is the expression of his nature. Method of operation has more to do with his doing. 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:16.000 The third thing that Isaiah 2 says should be brought down from the mountain into the 00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:35.720 valley of men is this amazing statement that out of Zion shall go forth the law, out of 00:47:35.720 --> 00:47:42.720 Zion shall go forth the law. Now the law here may be defined as precepts, mandates, life principles for governance and stewardship of the Lord Jesus Christ. 00:48:05.720 --> 00:48:12.720 The nations, I love this last bit, of the nations, I'm not content with. The law shall 00:48:18.680 --> 00:48:24.280 go out of Zion. The whole idea of the law going forth out of Zion is that Zion being 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:29.280 the mountain of God, if we want to bring down and engage the valley of men and impact the 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:34.600 valley of men, one of the things we have to begin to show or have to begin to be able 00:48:34.600 --> 00:48:41.600 to translate in the valley of men is precepts, mandates, life principles of governance and 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:51.880 of stewardship. That's what law means. I'm not talking about taking over political power 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:58.040 or being in authority somewhere, but there are life principles of governance and stewardship 00:48:58.160 --> 00:49:05.160 that you can now begin to exhibit, display, cultivate. Guys, I want to say this. You hear 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:10.960 me talking about principles very often. We do operate by principles, but we don't lead 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:17.960 by principles. We lead by patterns that we model and impart by practicing these principles. 00:49:20.560 --> 00:49:27.560 Remember, principles don't lead us. Principles are what we model. Principles don't lead us. 00:49:28.640 --> 00:49:34.440 Principles are what we model. A principle that is not modeled is an abstract nothing. 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:38.760 Great. So there's a principle called sowing and reaping. Clap your hands and praise the 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:45.760 Lord for it. What's the point, man? If I don't actually now model that principle, principles 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:52.580 do not lead us. Principles are established so that we can model them. Once we model them, 00:49:52.580 --> 00:49:58.220 the pattern then leads us. How do we impart these principles to the valley below? We 00:49:58.220 --> 00:50:04.580 impart these principles first by coming into relationship, guys. Hey, look at this again. 00:50:04.580 --> 00:50:07.660 And please go and listen to the CD again because it will make more sense as you listen to it 00:50:07.660 --> 00:50:12.740 twice. The law shall go forth from Zion. The law is the precepts, the mandates, and the 00:50:12.740 --> 00:50:17.620 life principles of governance and stewardship for the nations, not for an individual, not 00:50:17.620 --> 00:50:21.660 for just a small group of people, for the nations one life at a time, for the nations 00:50:21.660 --> 00:50:28.660 one life at a time. I have to now take these principles that I have learned. I have to 00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:40.300 model them. I have to pattern them. How then do I transfer it to the valley of men? The 00:50:41.340 --> 00:50:46.360 first thing I need to do is I need to come into relationship, guys. Open yourself up 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:51.180 to relationship and people will begin to associate with you. That's the first step. The first 00:50:51.180 --> 00:50:58.180 step for the law to go forth from Zion is association. Guys, every pattern can only 00:51:10.220 --> 00:51:15.660 be imparted through relationship. Patterns can only be imparted through relationship. 00:51:15.660 --> 00:51:20.700 So the first thing I need to do as I engage the valley of men is I have to open myself 00:51:20.740 --> 00:51:27.740 up and invite people into relationship with me. This allows them then to associate with 00:51:30.620 --> 00:51:37.620 me, associate with you, associate with us. That's the first step. Hey, the same thing 00:51:41.020 --> 00:51:46.900 applies between a leader and the house or the father and the son. I first have to invite 00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:53.740 you or open my life so that you may be able to relate with me. Once I open my life up 00:51:53.740 --> 00:51:57.620 so that you can relate with me, let me take Eddie as an example so that I don't come out 00:51:57.620 --> 00:52:02.180 looking better than I am. The first thing Eddie had to do was Eddie had to open his 00:52:02.180 --> 00:52:09.100 life up to me and give me an invitation to begin to relate to him. I did. What happened 00:52:09.100 --> 00:52:16.100 then is when I associated with him, the next step that happens is I have to open my life 00:52:17.180 --> 00:52:23.700 and associate with him and now I begin to see how he patterns or models the principles 00:52:23.700 --> 00:52:30.700 of life and then what happens is association leads to imitation. Now that people have begun 00:52:37.560 --> 00:52:43.060 to associate with you, they will see your life, they will see how you govern, how you 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:47.660 govern first this piece of earth that you are, how you govern your marriage, how you 00:52:47.660 --> 00:52:52.140 govern your moneys, how you govern when you are sick, how you govern BURN when you have 00:52:52.140 --> 00:52:57.780 a crisis, how you govern your children, how you govern your man woman relationships, how 00:52:57.780 --> 00:53:04.780 you govern your reaction to outrageous, how you govern your decision making process, how 00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:09.460 you govern your hearing, how you steward what God tells you, how you steward the money you 00:53:09.460 --> 00:53:12.580 have, the marriage you have, the children you have, the husband you have, the car you 00:53:12.580 --> 00:53:18.220 have and they begin to see it. They come into association and as they see it they say, oh 00:53:18.220 --> 00:53:24.460 shucks this is not where I met him, this is not where I want to be at, I'm going to imitate. 00:53:24.460 --> 00:53:29.180 The moment they want to imitate, guess what happens? Impartation happens. When now you're 00:53:29.180 --> 00:53:36.260 able to impart into their lives what you are already patterning or modeling. This is why 00:53:36.260 --> 00:53:42.340 I said, this is why earlier today I said, hey take advantage of this piece of earth. 00:53:42.340 --> 00:53:53.980 Associate and imitate what is good in my life and there are some good things in my life. 00:53:53.980 --> 00:54:02.340 And the bad things I keep well hidden. I'm just kidding, trying to be more and more transparent 00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:05.660 but there are good things in my life and then what will happen is when you start imitating 00:54:05.660 --> 00:54:12.060 and when I see that there is imitation I'll be able to impart more. That's what Eddie did with me. 00:54:12.060 --> 00:54:17.300 He saw that Jacob was beginning to imitate his ways. Jacob didn't fully understand what he was 00:54:17.300 --> 00:54:22.020 doing but he was beginning to imitate Eddie's ways and then Eddie would sit down and he would 00:54:22.020 --> 00:54:26.580 begin to impart. He would stir up that which is within me or plant a seed that was reserved 00:54:26.580 --> 00:54:32.700 for me and he would begin to impart as he began to impart. I begin to imitate now not just because 00:54:32.700 --> 00:54:37.460 I've come into association but because I understand and now the seed that is in me begins to grow 00:54:37.460 --> 00:54:46.180 itself and that leads to the final stage which is the formation of Christ in a situation, in a person, 00:54:46.180 --> 00:55:00.580 in a congregation, in a nation. Association opens the door to imitation where you start imitating 00:55:00.580 --> 00:55:07.820 a principle that this person has patterned for you, is modeling for you and that results in the 00:55:07.820 --> 00:55:13.980 formation of Christ in a situation, in a crisis, in a nation, in a people, in a congregation. 00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:20.340 This boy can sleep very well. You're supposed to keep your eyes shut when I talk. 00:55:20.340 --> 00:55:31.740 Guys, at the end of the day this is the definition of discipleship by the way. 00:55:31.740 --> 00:55:37.220 This is what discipleship looks like. What do you think has happened with Eric and Penny? 00:55:37.220 --> 00:55:42.780 First I related to them, opened my life up to Eric and he took advantage of it and started 00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:46.780 associating with me. Once he started associating with me, he started imitating with me half the 00:55:46.780 --> 00:55:53.500 time not knowing exactly why and then I started imparting and then the time came when imitation 00:55:53.500 --> 00:55:57.140 and impartation had come to such a point that Eric and Penny could step out of their situation 00:55:57.140 --> 00:56:03.900 with no safety net and jump into what they've jumped to and now the formation of Christ is 00:56:03.900 --> 00:56:08.540 increasingly happening in them and now they are doing exactly this to the people that kept coming 00:56:08.540 --> 00:56:16.140 into their house. This couple are doing exactly this to the people in their house. This is what 00:56:16.140 --> 00:56:21.740 discipleship is defined as. It's a definition of discipleship. One life at a time, one congregation 00:56:21.740 --> 00:56:29.220 at a time, one nation at a time. Guys, get the hang of this and you will benefit. You will benefit. 00:56:29.220 --> 00:56:34.700 Do not get the hang of it and you will chew meat occasionally and drink milk occasionally. 00:56:34.700 --> 00:56:45.620 I sound like I'm blowing my own trumpet but I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. You will see people come 00:56:45.620 --> 00:56:49.460 after you and they'll go through this process and you will realize that you're speaking modestly, 00:56:49.460 --> 00:57:03.100 not presumptuously and this works. This is how Jesus did it guys. Questions, comments? 00:57:03.100 --> 00:57:17.900 Last one. It says in Isaiah 2 2 that the law shall go out of Zion and the word of the Lord 00:57:17.900 --> 00:57:25.620 from Jerusalem. Jerusalem as in Galatians 4 26 Jerusalem meaning us, the Jerusalem from above 00:57:25.620 --> 00:57:29.700 even though in the Old Testament it's the Jerusalem that's physical and in bondage. 00:57:29.700 --> 00:57:39.420 So the word of the Lord shall go out of Jerusalem. The Hebrew for the word of the Lord used there is 00:57:39.420 --> 00:58:01.180 Dabar. Dabar means spoken word pertaining to a matter or business. The law shall go out of 00:58:01.180 --> 00:58:08.980 Zion and the word or the Dabar of the Lord, the spoken word pertaining to a matter or business 00:58:08.980 --> 00:58:22.020 or in other words while it can be it can also be current revelation it can also be the proceeding 00:58:22.020 --> 00:58:32.820 word and let's even say it's a spoken word that has been recorded for us in the Bible, 00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:40.780 recorded in scriptures just so we are safe, just so I'm not preaching heresy. 00:58:40.780 --> 00:58:53.740 Dabar is basically means spoken word pertaining to a matter or pertaining to some business and it 00:58:53.740 --> 00:58:58.260 says the Dabar shall go out of Jerusalem. That's one of the things that comes down from the 00:58:58.260 --> 00:59:03.300 mountain and so what it means is that you're talking about God saying when you come down the 00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:09.660 mountain bring to the people in the valley the spoken word as in both current revelation, 00:59:09.660 --> 00:59:17.580 the proceeding word as in the word that I'm sending in the season and things from the written 00:59:17.580 --> 00:59:27.940 word. I'm just throwing that in just to be safe. Guys in Amos 3.7 what does it say? Okay don't turn 00:59:27.940 --> 00:59:34.140 there. In Amos 3.7 God says that every time I want to do something on earth I will not do anything 00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:40.020 on earth without revealing it to my servants the prophets. That's something he loves doing. Whenever 00:59:40.020 --> 00:59:45.780 he starts or initiates something on earth he wants to let people know and when God wants to initiate 00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:51.860 a new season on earth guys God first you know what he does first he changes the mindset of the priest 00:59:51.860 --> 01:00:07.900 king. Let me build this correctly so that we don't run ahead. Just give me five minutes if 01:00:07.900 --> 01:00:15.940 you time I'll wrap up in five minutes but I don't want to rush through this. Guys here's what you're 01:00:15.940 --> 01:00:35.060 saying. We are saying that one we bring down from the mountain the spoken word or proceeding word 01:00:35.060 --> 01:00:49.660 of God. That's what we said. Now the spoken word or the proceeding word is not yesterday's word, 01:00:49.660 --> 01:00:55.180 it's not yesterday's manner, it is what God has today for the earth. It's a current revelation, 01:00:55.180 --> 01:00:59.820 it is things that God wants to do right now. People who come down from the mountain of God 01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:08.460 cannot operate by the word from yesterday. Guys if this is so important that by now we begin to 01:01:08.460 --> 01:01:17.740 function at least at some degree of hearing and doing hearing and doing because the proceeding 01:01:17.740 --> 01:01:26.340 word cannot operate if I don't hear and do. Hi Evelyn. I'm required that I hear and do. Why 01:01:26.380 --> 01:01:31.420 does God send current revelation of the proceeding word? He sends it because whatever he wants to 01:01:31.420 --> 01:01:55.820 do on earth, whatever God wants to do on earth, he first changes the mindset of the priesthood, 01:01:55.820 --> 01:02:13.180 then introduces a new season on the earth. In Hebrews 7-12 here's what it says. It says when 01:02:13.180 --> 01:02:18.460 God wanted to bring about a radical change in the law, guess what he did? He got rid of the priesthood 01:02:18.460 --> 01:02:22.540 of the levitical order and brought in a new priest from the tribe of Judah called Jesus. 01:02:22.540 --> 01:02:31.300 Ha! Just think of that. When God wanted to bring a radical change in the way the law was, what did 01:02:31.300 --> 01:02:36.140 he do? He didn't come and say okay from today on there's a new law. No, no, no. He sets aside a 01:02:36.140 --> 01:02:41.660 priesthood that came from the levitical order and he brings in a priest from the tribe of Judah in 01:02:41.660 --> 01:02:47.140 the type of Melchizedek called Jesus Christ. Now that he's installed a new priest he can bring in 01:02:47.140 --> 01:02:54.580 a new law. Whenever God wants to bring about changes here on earth, he's looking for a people 01:02:54.580 --> 01:02:59.180 who are willing to listen to him prophetically, listen to the proceeding word that he's sending 01:02:59.180 --> 01:03:05.260 so that they can change their mindsets first and once the mindset is changed now he can begin to 01:03:05.260 --> 01:03:09.540 operate on earth through that people because they change their mindset. He changes the thinking of 01:03:09.540 --> 01:03:27.580 the priesthood before he brings in a new idea. Acts 29 must become a womb in the earth that will 01:03:27.580 --> 01:03:33.120 produce the finished work of God, that will produce new seasons, that will produce the purposes of God 01:03:33.120 --> 01:03:38.180 and that will produce it within time frames that God has allotted here on earth. We've got to become 01:03:38.180 --> 01:03:43.380 that womb where God can say, Aha, want to introduce something new in the world. Just imagine this, 01:03:43.380 --> 01:03:47.100 say, I was thinking of this and I think it is so cool. I want to introduce something new in the 01:03:47.100 --> 01:03:55.220 world. I do not do anything on the earth till I reveal it to my servants and the prophets. Can I 01:03:55.220 --> 01:04:01.760 hide this from Acts 29 because they have shown themselves consistently as a priesthood that is 01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:10.520 willing to change their mindsets? Can I hide as he asked in Genesis with Abraham? The answer to 01:04:10.520 --> 01:04:15.640 the rhetorical question is no. So he comes and says, Acts 29, here is what I'm doing in this 01:04:15.640 --> 01:04:21.960 season. Jacob, this is what I want to do with you and your people and Acts 29 and Jacob respond 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:37.800 and say, Yes, Lord. And we become a womb that God now begins to inseminate with this new thought 01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:43.520 process, this new season, this new idea and begins to grow. And he does not want it to delay. He 01:04:43.520 --> 01:04:49.520 doesn't say, Jacob, you can take 14 months for this baby. No, no, no, no. I want it in nine months, 01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:59.080 Jacob. So now Acts 29 has to operate within the time frame that God has given. And when we begin 01:04:59.080 --> 01:05:04.160 to do that, guess what happens? This becomes a place that God will always come and say, Hey, 01:05:04.160 --> 01:05:11.000 the dabar is going out of this Jerusalem. Every time I want to do something new, I'll never leave 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:18.320 you out of it. Now that it has formed, begin to live it Jacob, begin to live it Acts 29. And now 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:22.040 that you've begun to live it, I'll bring in people from Vernon, I'll bring in people from 01:05:22.040 --> 01:05:27.440 Australia, I'll bring in people so that they can see what this looks like. And they can go now and 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:33.480 impart it to others so that Christ can be formed in different places. There is nothing like being 01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:38.760 a womb for the purposes of God that are being formed in the Kairos and that are cutting down 01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:47.120 into measurable time. A church should desire this. A church should desire this. 01:06:01.120 --> 01:06:07.320 Guys, if not, no, if you don't do that, a whole generation will die and God will have to look 01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:15.400 at Tavis's generation to enact his purposes. If we don't respond like this, a whole generation 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:22.400 will die and God will have to look at Tavis's generation to enact these purposes. Because this 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:28.040 generation either failed to be a womb for his purposes or decided that yes, we will be a womb 01:06:28.040 --> 01:06:34.260 for his purpose, but we'll take 14 months to deliver a baby and not nine. All the activity that 01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:38.420 God wants to do here on earth is within a time frame, guys. There was a time frame of 15 days 01:06:38.420 --> 01:06:45.180 to bring Israel out of Egypt into Canaan. And when that time frame was broken, it took 40 years and 01:06:45.180 --> 01:06:55.080 a whole generation died because they did not change their mindset. I cannot tell you how 01:06:55.080 --> 01:07:00.100 important it is for you to change your mindset in your individual life and us as a corporate people. 01:07:04.260 --> 01:07:21.980 Programs and stuff like that that happen in places all over the world, guys, these are just sounds 01:07:21.980 --> 01:07:28.460 being reproduced without a change of mindset. One of the things I want to be careful of and I 01:07:28.460 --> 01:07:34.260 suggest that you be careful of is this thing where we hear sounds, but we don't recognize that 01:07:34.260 --> 01:07:39.900 the mindset behind the sound hasn't changed. We hear the sound, we hear a different sound, 01:07:39.900 --> 01:07:48.620 but we don't recognize that the mindset behind the sound has not changed. There are churches that I 01:07:48.620 --> 01:07:53.660 have associated with over the last four years that Acts 29 has associated with that have caught the 01:07:53.660 --> 01:07:59.700 sound but have not changed their mindsets. There are pastors that I have associated with and that 01:07:59.700 --> 01:08:05.700 Acts 29 has associated with over the last three or four years who have heard the sound and caught 01:08:05.700 --> 01:08:11.500 the sound but they have not changed their mindsets. And what happens is if you're not careful, you will 01:08:11.500 --> 01:08:15.900 hear the sound and the words that they're saying and think, aha, change is happening, change is 01:08:15.900 --> 01:08:20.540 happening. And you begin to pour like crazy into them and two weeks later you find that they were 01:08:20.540 --> 01:08:27.620 basically not changing the nappies but just putting fresh nappies on an old soiled, poo-filled nappy 01:08:27.620 --> 01:08:47.060 and it stinks three weeks later. Perhaps both. No, I wouldn't agree with so hard to adjust. Let's 01:08:47.060 --> 01:08:54.900 put it this way. Everything we are doing here, yeah, yeah, we should have, yeah, time should be 01:08:54.900 --> 01:09:04.660 given but unfortunately there is no nice clean way of destroying a building. You destroy something 01:09:04.660 --> 01:09:08.780 slowly guys. There will always be people there to keep building back what is being destroyed. 01:09:17.060 --> 01:09:33.700 Yeah, I would say we are losers and that's why I think we have to be careful and not just hearing 01:09:33.700 --> 01:09:38.460 the sound and thinking aha, they're saying the right thing so it should be fine. No, we've got to 01:09:38.460 --> 01:09:46.780 see if the mindset has changed before we begin to. No, you should not pour new wine into old wine skins 01:09:46.780 --> 01:09:52.780 because you'll destroy the wine skin. Never pour new wine into old wine skins. It will damage them 01:09:52.780 --> 01:10:02.980 and do them more harm than before. You cannot build new wine skins till they change because this is 01:10:02.980 --> 01:10:09.580 new wine skin. Do not pour new wine into old wine sets, mindsets. It will not work. If I have done 01:10:09.580 --> 01:10:15.500 this so many times and I've damaged people, where I've gone and forced new wine into them and when 01:10:15.500 --> 01:10:23.020 I leave them, they are worse off than before I came. So if you find that a person is not changing, 01:10:23.020 --> 01:10:29.060 let them be because at the end of the day God will have to do it because there's no point. Let them 01:10:29.060 --> 01:10:35.900 be. By the way, it's the same attitude I would adopt with you and that Eddie would adopt with me. 01:10:35.900 --> 01:10:46.260 Frightening, eh? Safe too because otherwise you end up destroying the wine skin.