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Podcast: Acts 29 Vancouver
Episode: Chadwick_Mohan_HouseChurch_July_1_1
Publishing Date: 2019-07-07T06:00:44-07:00
Podcast URL: https://acts29.ca
Episode URL: https://acts29.ca/chadwick_mohan_housechurch_july_1_1/

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Good. Are you all doing good this evening? Yes. We just had a wonderful time with some

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of the ones who lead the households and I believe that God has already begun a good

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work. I just want you to know that Pastor Jacob has been, I don't know, you call him

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Jacob, right? You don't call him Pastor Jacob. Do you call him Pastor Jacob? No,

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Jacob? Prophet Jacob? Prophet Jacob? Most Reverend Jacob. He's been a blessing. Okay,

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he's been a blessing whenever he comes down to Chennai. He's been a blessing. There are other

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places that have begun to travel with him in India. He's been a blessing. So I want you to

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know that this man has been blessed with this group of people and that's whenever someone

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actually is a blessing, it's just not because that person is a blessing. He comes from a source

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that's blessed. Amen? And I believe with all of my heart that you are that source and that you are

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commissioning of him to the ends of the earth has been a blessing not only to our church back in

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Chennai but I believe it's been a blessing to many, many, many other places. He was there at our

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missions gathering where over 160 plus missionaries from different parts of India had gathered

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together and it was fantastic three days and God has been ministering through him and through the

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lives of people into the information about what God wants to do in and through people's lives and

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it's been revolutionary in the lives of people with regards to what they have been in after that

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and so the ministries are changing and the way people do ministries are changing and so I really

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want to thank God for Jacob and for the source from where he's been commissioned and I really

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want to thank each and every one of you. I think it's a good time to clap hands with yourself.

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And Pastor Jacob did not ask me to talk these things. That's for once. But he wanted me to remind you

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that on July 17th this is his birthday and my comments on the previous section where I said here

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after Jacob is not going to be the one you have to take up and run and all of that he wanted to

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make sure that he's still your leader and he wants you to remember 17th of July. That's your only

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request he has. Rest of the things you can forget. That's just being him. Good let's go. I am almost

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lost for something new to be sharing with you okay because I think with two times coming over and I'm

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not going to talk something different or something radically different from what God has been

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deposited into my heart and I've seen the world is so obsessed with something new. Something

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that's something different and so sometimes I've struggled with this idea of how can we present

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something new to every time you go and I've come to a place in life where I have come to this

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great settlement. There's nothing new under the sun okay. There's nothing new under the sun. It

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actually the Word of God and the principles of Christ are not something that's like wide and

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great and innovative and no it's not. Actually it's about putting the simple format of it. It's

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but the challenge is not knowing the few things. The challenge is taking those few things and

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making it part and parcel of our life and living. That's the challenge that we need to take up this

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morning this evening. So you got to come to a place where we got to constantly recognize and

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realize where the how do we survive as ministers and preachers is because you forget okay. That's

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the only way we survive because it's so much only is there content with regard if you really

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really take the content of the scriptures the content of the scriptures only seven main teaching

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topics. How do we survive? It's because you don't remember and so and you change the title or you

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put a different slide you can actually preach the same sermon with a different slide and people

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think it's new and say pastor through you God spoke to me. That's how people that's how pastors

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survive 52 times in a year. They preach the same thing again and again in different formats and

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and with maybe one or two different illustrations or experiences and it becomes new. But all that

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I'm saying trying to say this evening is not so much of how much knowledge you have. It is

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how we have translated this knowledge into everyday life and so God is calling this church

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Acts 29 and this evening I want to describe Acts 29 a little different than how it's been defined

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not because I've been given a permission to describe it that I take the liberty of coming

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to the church because I'm invited in I'm taking this liberty to say hey you are not just you are

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a network. I'm giving the statement and then I'm going to explain to you what this all about. A

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network of at least six churches in and around greater than Goa. I'm declaring it and then I'm

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going to help us understand together what this is all about. It's a network of at least six

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churches in and around greater Vancouver and so you got to understand that there is a base

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in which you operate. The base that you operated in till 2019 was that there is there's one

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congregation so the base that you were operated in is of the old paradigm which is called the you

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are one congregation and called Acts 29 and you met together in different places at last you

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actually found a place in in in Burness okay and you met together every evening every Sunday

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evening and Jacob was kind of although he did not mention he was a pastor he was a kind of a

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a priest and you were a set of people who were clergy and you were a set of people who were

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lady but then God through various teachings broke that out and we actually moved into

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understanding that we are one people of God who need to serve all are called to serve there's

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so many so many teachings that have gone through father-sons and I think our God has brought in

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several people through the history of this church that have come and helped us understand

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and realize the teachings better and better and better and introduce introduction into the

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apostolic and all of that but slowly where God is taking you as a church is that you have become

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an apostolic base and I'm using all kinds of statements without explaining to you everything

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but I'm just throwing it out so we can start building around it you are an apostolic base from

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where God is launching something powerful that's going to impact an entire world

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in order to in order to see this and recognize this you got a shift out of this old paradigm of

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we are a congregation here we are a congregation here we have a pastor here we have someone that

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we meet every Sunday and and a patch Jacob ministers to us and we love what God is doing

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in through passage Jacob to understanding that we are slowly becoming a six different

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not different in the sense six churches that are meeting together first I need your help

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Vancouver and I may not be good in the map of it okay Burnaby

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be a be Burnaby Richmond

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Delta

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maple rich

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Manco or one man cool. Okay.

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These are the six houses that are meeting together.

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Why this is important is because the scriptures define the church to be different from what the

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21st century understanding of church is. Because church somehow has lost its real essence and has

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become a religious body. Okay. Religious body. And so churches represent the institution called

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religion. And Christianity as a religion and I have made this statement before and I make it

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again. Christianity as a religion has no power. It is powerless. And that's why it's ineffective.

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It is Christianity as a religion has no power and is ineffective in this world. Because

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Christianity is one more thing like Buddhism, like Hinduism. Because we follow it as a religion.

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It has its own systems. It has its own own things which is so contrary and sometimes opposed to

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what the scriptures say. And so we got to very, very meticulously and very, very intentionally

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break out of this religious institutional structure of Christianity and identify ourselves as how the

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scriptures define the church to be. Okay. Is that clear? Is that clear? And so in order to shake that out,

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we sometimes have to declare it. We sometimes have to voice it out. And we got to, I keep constantly

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telling Christianity has no power. Christianity as a religion has no power. Jesus did not come to

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inaugurate something called a religion called Christianity. Christianity and Hinduism has the

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same kinds of things in the sense like there are certain things that I really if you go into the

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Hindu world and philosophy there are good things there. So it's not about what's good, what's bad.

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It's about you got to understand that you got to understand and I'm trying to push this and I'm

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extending it a little more. There are demonic powers inside Christianity. There are structures

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and such structures that they go and try to touch. And you know what in the night happens? In the

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night I have demonic attacks when I actually start to mess up with church structures. Attacks

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from the evil one. You're just trying to go and shift structures inside a church, a Pentecostal

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church and what gets attacked is the evil one. Because these structures are powered because there

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are selfish motives and and controls and and authorities that are not of Christ's. That as a

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mammon that's motivated by money and motivated by self and motivated by by by by obsession and

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dictatorship. So you got to understand we got a hate with all of our hearts. The organized is when

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I say hate it doesn't mean that we don't love anybody. When I'm saying hate it's because of

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the shift that the Spirit of God wants for the church. Now we got to very very very strongly say

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no to this form of Christianity. No to this form of religion. So this evening if you are coming here

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to be part of this church and you have this old idea of what a church is and what this Christianity

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is and you're participating in this church you are going to be shaken a lot. Because there is a

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shift that is going to take place and the shift is not always. You need to understand what Jacob

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represents is of a different kind of giftedness that may not be found. This is the greatest

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challenge that you're going to face as a church together. The leaders and shepherds of these will

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not and may not exhibit the same giftedness as Jacob. And that's going to be a lot more disappointing.

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That's going to be the greatest disappointment. People love gifts. They don't love Christ.

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Yes Chad. Because people say gifts people don't see. Because that's the philosophy of the world.

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The world rates people and classifies them and prefers gifts. It's going to be one of the most

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greatest challenges when we shift into a apostolic base of six churches. Because you don't have Jacob

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and all the six. Jacob may visit the six once in a while. Or he may visit because there are

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six churches that are coming together. So if I have to follow this and the way of this world

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of the church. This church world and this is the biblical church. So this is the worldly church.

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We're going to classify it as worldly church and this is the biblical church.

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The worldly church is made of the same philosophy of the world. Who have the most followers? Those

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who are gifted. So what is the giftedness that people truly follow? They follow innovation. They

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follow communication. If someone is able to communicate well, yes that's number one. So if

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someone is not able to communicate with words because Christ is not building this entire

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church based on the ability for someone to wordsmith things.

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This is the gift of grace. I love how Jacob puts things together. Even more than how he speaks,

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I love for him to write. That's his giftedness. That's how Christ gifted him. That may not be

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the portion of the shepherd that God appoints over

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this church. That person would have a giftedness that's so super important and very important

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not in terms of the world but in terms of the church. And is needed for that community and God

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is going to shape that person up to be a leader of that community because God himself has appointed

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him. As a first breaking down that needs to take place in our minds, we don't worship gifts.

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We worship Christ, the giver of multiple, multivarious gifts in the body.

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We worship Christ. We don't worship gifts.

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How is Christ truly exalted?

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The expression of Christ is his body. You need to understand that the world is not going to see

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the world is not going to see Christ with their naked eyes. But what is he allowed after his

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ascension is his representation, his manifold representation through the community. If the

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whole world needs to see it is because the church is united and representing and manifesting Christ

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to the world that they know that they are one and because the father and son are one and the son and

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his body are one that the whole world will know that the father sent the son. That's the entire

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logic and entire thing that Jesus explains in John chapter 17. How will the world know? The problem

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is that we have come and we have sold this wrong philosophy that the world will know because you

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can communicate the gospel well. The world will know because Billy Graham can preach so well. The

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world will know because media and technology can know this is not how the world will know.

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Sometimes we build and build massive institutions or organizations that is not the church of Jesus

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Christ. All done under the name of Christ. All done under the name of Christianity. But it's

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not nothing to do with what Christ is doing. And that's why many people think that the church is a

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failure. If church is a failure Christ is failure. No Christ is not building our kinds of churches.

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Christ has not failed and he continues to do in various different expressions across this world.

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Christ is building his church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And unless we

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come to this full-blown understanding that I have to very strongly detest this worldly church and

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the building of the worldly church. I will not be able to build what Christ is building.

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And that is not dependent on the gift of the leader.

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It does not depend on the musicians and the ability to lead worship.

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If there's someone like Jane in our house church it's perfectly fine.

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That's nothing wrong. Or if someone can be... I love Jacob's leading of worship.

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Not everyone is going to do that.

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See you got to shake away from the norms of what the world defines the church to be

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if you have to build what Jesus is wanting to build in Greater Vancouver.

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What did I say?

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No we got to get rid of what defines the worldly church in order to build truly what Christ is

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building in Greater Vancouver. Something like that I said. Okay so we got to shake that out because

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we have a set idea of what a church is. We have a set idea of that is what will get translated

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into our homes and into our households. So we want to replicate what happened on on Sunday evenings

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and sometimes we feel like that's not happening there. That's not happening there.

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And we miss out on what Christ is doing there.

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Yes.

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Church is about people. Church is about people and people's lives being transformed.

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Church is not about the activity that is done apart from it. See there may be various activities

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so we... Times of singing could be one of the activities that Christ... It's not about how we

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sing and how... And just because we don't have great music doesn't mean that we can't build a

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great church. That's the logic because the world has shaped us to understand that it is only through

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great music that we can actually build a great church. And that's why churches scramble and

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pray high for musicians. They compromise anything and everything. It doesn't matter how the musician

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is as long as they can play music in the church.

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And where is that cell going to? Where is it going?

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You're getting... See you're getting the idea of what I'm trying to communicate. It's not about...

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Sometimes we got to shake out of the norm of how church has been done in order to build what Jesus

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is building. Jesus is building people. People come in various giftedness. Your leader in the church,

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in the six churches here, will not be Jacob. And I really thank... You sometimes need to sit down

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and thank God for it. Because it would be different. It would be... Because I had to

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break out of it because I was always looking for people who are very similar to me in order to do

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what Christ is doing. And then God had to shake that out of me and say, no, that is not how I

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build my church. I build my church through anyone who is willing to cooperate with me.

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And therefore, that would be... In this church, there would be... Sometimes the leader in the

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church here may not be actually communicating every week. Is it okay? Because there may be other

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good people who are good with communication that may be communicating. Because somehow we associate

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the leader of the church to be the communicator, super ace communicator. The leader of the church

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needs to really shape the teachings in his life. That's the first thing. He communicates not by

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words. He communicates through life. So we got to shift out of this... There is a role of communication.

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I'm not saying that there's no role to communication. There's no role to gifted speaking.

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The gifted speakers would always have a role to play in the churches because learning and teaching

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is an oral tradition too. And learning and teaching sometimes is written forms too. So there will be

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people communicating. But the leader of the church that God appoints as shepherd may not be an ace.

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Communicator. Need not be an orator. But has the ability to teach. Has the ability to teach. The

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ability to teach may not always be about gifted speaking. But it's about life on life rubbing.

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It's about life lived out. Teaching through life lived out. And if that life is actually...

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I am seeing that again and again. When you see someone like Jerry, I never thought Jerry would

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have any hope in leading a church. But you allow the Spirit of God to... For those guys to come up

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and put a set of guys around them. So what I'm experiencing is those who are not ace in their

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giftedness always rally people around them so that the job gets done. And that's beautiful

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than just one man shining.

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And so the lack of the prominent giftedness, people always allow others to blossom. And because

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they allow others to blossom, it becomes beautiful. It's not centered around a man or a woman. It's

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centered around the community. And that's what Christ wants.

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So we're going to shift. And so 2019 is halfway through and maybe 2020 onwards we are really

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pushing this... That which Christ wants for Greater Vancouver. And what begins in Greater

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Vancouver is not going to be just Greater Vancouver, but it's going to impact the world.

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That's the larger picture. Okay, so this being the introduction part of it, I want to step into what

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is called as you as a church together, you as churches together, having a base of around six

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churches need to continue to grow, need to continue to multiply around this place so that your base

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will become stronger and stronger because what needs to happen across the world truly depends on

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the base. Because if the base is not strong enough, you know the foundations. If the foundation is not

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strong enough, whatever we build on this foundation is not going to last. Because Jacob will be gone,

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he'll be doing other things and Jacob is not the only person who's going to be doing this. And

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we have had several conversations and over a period of time also recognized and realized that

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Jacob is a person who can actually do a lot of things single-handedly. And so over a period of

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time Jacob is going to be, shall I share? Jacob is going to be a person who's going to break down

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on himself being the single apostolic person to build a apostolic team around him.

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Which is cutting down a lot of privileges and things that he wants to do and to build around

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the team which is going to be one more hard process that is very specific to him and we

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will have a conversation separately not with the church. Because we got used to certain things. I

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got used to certain things and then you have to shift what God wants us to do in the next phase

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of our life. And therefore, so that apart, I'm concentrating on the base which is the six churches

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at this point of time. Can we become strong in order that the apostolic team that Jacob

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has been launched from here can do what God is wanting to do across the world?

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You understand the base foundation introduction that I'm trying to lay down because we'll start

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to build on it day two, day three. So this church which is six churches and growing,

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six churches and growing must become strong and would supply the needs.

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Would supply the needs. When I say needs immediately I thought there's only finances. No,

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that's not the main need at this point of time. The main need at this point of it includes finances

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but a main need at the point of time is gifted leaders who are here who will be able to shepherd

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these six churches well to make sure that these six churches are multiplying in and around the

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greater Vancouver and lesser Vancouver. And out of these churches come team members who are called

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of God who will be able to move back and forth across the world. So I want to jump right in,

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with this as the foundation, I want to jump right in into what I would term as a church-based

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apostolic mission. Church-based apostolic mission. The way the New Testament, how the New Testament...

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That's BAM, BAM as business as missions.

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There are some people who do the other way around, church as business. But this is church-based

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apostolic mission that I want to take the principles of the New Testament, lay it down.

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But all these principles work only when a church or churches or a network of churches understand

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itself as a base, like an Antioch church. Antioch church was a base from where Paul and Pauline team

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operated initially. While they went about there were many bases that actually started out and

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there will be many bases that this church will be linked to. There will be other minor bases and

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major bases that as the spirit moves the church into several other parts and moves Jacob and his

00:31:38.840 --> 00:31:44.280
team to move to several other parts, this needs to happen. This needs to happen. And therefore,

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church-based apostolic mission is the overarching teaching that we need to receive as a church in

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order to process the next season of where God wants to take this church. Any questions?

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Any questions in the sense that are you finding it difficult to see this as a post-bishop because

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this is not an easy way to see this. This is not a challenge for you or this is a challenge for you?

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We need honesty. It's clear that you see this as a challenge because you will be sitting not on the

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teaching of Jacob. I'm not saying that Jacob won't teach. I'm saying if we shift it around,

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you are going to be participating in a community that may not have Jacob teaching you on this.

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There might be a common judgment, but most of the work may be done.

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And it may not be even in this group. I'm not talking about this group because

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you have grown and been established. Now it's for this group to do something.

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It's not like for you to be seated under someone here, although we may be a community to do that.

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We're going to touch only on the one, then we can divide the rest of the time tomorrow and day after.

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So let me outline the terms.

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A church that is like an Antioch days. So you've got to understand when Paul says church at Antioch,

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you think it's one church that made together on Sunday? What's your idea?

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The church when Paul is writing to the church in Philippi or when church in Corinth,

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what was the actual thing that was happening? He was not writing to one congregation. It was actually

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congregations that are spread across the city. You are clarity on that, right? It's not like

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not writing to a Sunday evening gathering that meets together at Inverness. No,

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he was not writing like that. He was writing to the churches that spread across the entire city.

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And that's how they call it. Church at Corinth means all the houses that met together in Corinth.

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Church at Rome, there were at least 75 of them in Rome. So you've got to understand that when

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the New Testament writings were written, they were not written to one small little house.

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The church at greater Vancouver that is associated with Acts 29 is at least six churches.

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And we are actually progressing that way. So that's a church. We need to understand the

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apostolic map. What do I mean by apostolic map?

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Apostolic map is the region, is the territory that God has called apostolic leaders that are

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based out of a church to be functioning in. So how do I pick that up? I pick that up from

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2 Corinthians 10 verse 13 and then go on to 15 to 16. Paul is not directly talking about apostolic

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map, but he is actually defending his apostleship with the Corinthian church because the Corinthian

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church were troublesome to Paul. Why? Because now Paul has planted those churches and have moved

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on to Ephesus and he's moved on to other places to plant churches and sin. Then after the churches

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have been planted, have been planted and to be multiplying and growing, there's a lot of problems

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that are happening in the church. And some of the problems that were happening in the churches that

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there was sinfulness, sexual immorality was there. There was people, two people fighting inside the

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church and they were taking each other to the court. There were issues with regards to temple

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feasts. There were issues with regards to divisions. There were issues with regards to women and what

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they wanted to do inside churches. A lot of troubles and Paul is addressing them and he's

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addressing those struggles that the churches were going through. Corinth said, no, we will not listen

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to you because now we have other super apostles who are doing spectacular things and are heavily

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gifted that you need to understand. By the time you come to 1 Corinthians chapter 13, 14, 12, 13

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and 14, you come to this great struggle that Paul has and saying, hey, they are saying, no, Paul is

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okay. He did what he did. But now we have other super apostles who are speaking in tongues and

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prophesying and doing many other things and they are attracted to the supernatural giftedness and

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have lost the base of which the church needs to be established in which is love. And he goes on

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chapter 13 and he establishes the truth of what the church is to be based in which is love, love,

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love. Love is patient, love is kind. You can speak in tongues and I speak more than all of you guys

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in tongues but you can, that's making a lot of noise if you don't have the foundation of what the

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church is supposed to be which is the family of love. Everything is a waste. He comes, by the time

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he comes to the second Corinthians, he's actually fighting to tell them, hey guys, you can have a

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thousand guardians, man, but you can't have an apostolic father like me. Because that's the

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struggle when apostolic leaders establish churches and now are handing over to elders and now

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are concentrating on another region or another face or where the spirit of God is leading the

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apostolic team. The churches here can go through different things because they can open the doors

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to other guys who are not of the same spirit. And that's one of the things that these six

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churches need to vehemently guard. That apostolic leadership, once appointment and once they have

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released you to do what you're supposed to be doing, you are not opening the doors to other teachers.

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You are not opening the doors to other teachers and today other teachers don't have to come

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physically. They will come through videos, they will come through media, they will come through

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their books. It will be interesting, it will be a blessing. But if you don't understand this,

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the holistic sense of it, every now and then something Satan is going to be using against

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the churches. That's his ploy, that's what he wants to do and how he does it is he will bring

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another strange teaching that will be so similar to the teachings but is deviant from it.

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Okay, I'll explain apostolic leaders also.

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Cut off. Okay, I'll just, I'm coming down to apostolic leaders on the third point.

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So if you can engage with me a little more, I would come there.

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So I think it's right on Jacob to ask me to explain a little more about apostolic leaders.

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Okay. So these six, so for example, it all started with one community that

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worked together at Act 29. Jacob has been, so at this point of time we can represent the apostolic

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team to have one person who represents it and at this point of time let's say, at this point of

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time we know that this is Jacob. Okay, so the guys who actually operate like Jacob,

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okay, like Jacob in the sense of the giftedness of being, when I see apostolic team,

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they operate in one of these giftedness at least.

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Okay. And somehow the world has pushed the idea of, oh I am an apostle, I am a prophet.

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This has, these, all these things have become titles today. Apostles so and so, prophets so and so.

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Sorry, these are, actually these needs to be, if you really maintain it in the New Testament sense

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of it, it needs to be not titles but what functions.

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What do they do? Apostles and prophets, they lay the foundation.

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Apostles have a larger sense of the big picture of what God wants to do in a particular

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area or a region. They get the blueprints. They have an understanding of what God wants to do there.

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And they are the first to arrive. And if you take it in terms of architectural building plan

00:42:39.640 --> 00:42:45.960
types, the apostles are more like the architects. They have a big picture of how this,

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this, the church in this region, as how God is going to build the church in this region. They

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have a sense of it. And they come with that big picture in mind. The apostles and prophets

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together lay the foundations for that church. And the prophets are more like, they put the,

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they are more like the structural guys. In the construction industry, if you say they are more

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the structural guys, these are the foundations, these are the beams, these are the pillars that

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need to really be laid on. So the foundation and the structure part of it, these guys lay it down

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in a particular region. And then they inaugurate the church. They inaugurate the church by

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evangelizing. They bring the people in and they establish them in the teaching. They put the

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initial formats in place. They appoint elders. And then there are sometimes that we need the

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initial evangelists that bring in the people, the pastor teachers to establish the people.

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And this is how it's built initially. And after building it initially, they hand this over to

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elders and deacons who are more of the local church leadership.

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Apostolic leadership is going in, establishing it, handing it over so that this type of leaders

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move to another place and do the same thing all over again. Today the apostle is someone who can

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preach well and signs, wonders and miracles happen. Or he's an evangelist or he's prophetic.

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That's how we process them as individual titles and evangelists, so and so prophets, so and so

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apostles, so and so. That's not found in the New Testament. They move together as a team that

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actually evangelized, established and appointed elders. These are the three core function of the

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apostolic team, which means they were a team that actually operated in the five-fold giftedness.

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And some of them call it four-fold, some of them call it five-fold. I still believe that that's one

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set of things that we need to do as function in order that the church be inaugurated and

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church be handed over to local elders. Yes.

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Prophets, the prophets actually get the original structures in place for a particular location.

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So sometimes, so you have a big picture of what God is doing in that region. The prophets have

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insights into how the foundational teaching of the scriptures and in fact, in fact theologians,

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theologians in culture, theologians in culture, not theologians in the seminaries, but the

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theologians in culture of taking the word of God for that particular area, for that particular

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culture is actually very prophetic work. They need to receive insights from God and how do they

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structure for that structure to see the wind pressure that is in that place and spiritual

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atmosphere of that place. The prophetic, there needs to be a prophetic insight of what needs to

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be done first. What is the strength that is needed? Contextualize it and build those teaching

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structures in place. And so different from the understanding of prophetic and the gift of

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prophecy where you give foretelling issues. And there are times when Jacob operates in the

00:46:40.600 --> 00:46:45.000
prophecy foretelling of what God is going to do in your lives. That's more of an individual

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prophecy, but he operates in the prophetic of what God wants to do in the spiritual realms

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and dismantling certain things over regions. And so I have the experience of both operational in

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Jacob's life and you go to certain places over the nation where you got to go to certain places to

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dismantle certain powers of darkness and give a clarity on how this church needs to operate in.

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That's the true, to get a grasp of the New Testament prophets, that's the foundational

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piece that the prophetic needs to be doing in the apostolic team. The apostolic gets a big picture

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of what God wants to do. So this morning, this evening when I'm coming in, I'm more coming as

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an apostolic understanding of what God is going to do in and through Greater Vancouver on cooperating

00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:36.920
with Jacob on saying that let's build this around the Greater Vancouver area.

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Evangelists are truly not just confined to one church, only one local congregation, they are

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actually moving around for that entire place to be evangelized, not that the churches can't. So

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it's not like evangelists operate in one church, only one church. The gift of evangelism needs to be

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part of everyone else. The act of evangelism must be part of everyone. Evangelists are gifted people

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that God uses to bring people to the saving knowledge of Jesus so that the problems today's

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evangelists don't operate with churches. They operate as an organization separated from the

00:48:11.080 --> 00:48:18.040
church, which is not what the scriptures is talking about. They actually over a region,

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they are evangelizing and they are actually in networks with churches so that they can bring

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those who come to the saving knowledge of Jesus into the churches. Then I have a question.

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Is he a prophet? Yes. Is he an evangelist? Absolutely yes. Is he a pastor? Yes. So it could actually be just this one person that is actually functioning.

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So it's not a person. The greatest challenge in the 21st century Christianity is we confine

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the gift to a person. It's not the person, it's a function. Giftedness in order to accomplish a function

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and if someone else is not there, God is going to use you in all these things

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until someone is raising up. So when me and Jacob work together, I don't have to work prophetic at all

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because as we grow, there is a maturity in the giftedness that we are sharpened in certain giftedness over the other.

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There's clarity on the heaviness of prophetic over Jacob's life than any other giftedness.

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But that doesn't mean that he's not functioning apostolically as an apostle. He does in places that there's no other.

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When it comes into scenarios such as Chennai, he does not actually mess around with the role of an apostle.

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He fits into the role of being prophetic and so that's how it really begins. The dynamic begins to work

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because as more people with maturity of giftedness arise, I will move more heavily onto what God has gifted me in.

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And we mature into that over a period of time. So those people who just are arising and are calling

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themselves prophets or apostles, we need to ask them to lay low. Keep quiet. It's okay. Take your time.

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Over a period of time, people recognize you for your giftedness. You don't declare who you are.

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People recognize you for who you are.

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You're getting the idea of the apostolic theme. Apostolic theme is a gifted theme by Jesus

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to go about progression of the gospel, the planting, the establishing, the multiplication

00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:07.640
of churches and the appointment of elders. These are the roles of the apostolic team.

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The gifted leaders, not that the other leaders are not gifted, but these are gifted leaders

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for the progression of the gospel.

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Larger than a particular local.

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Local. These are gifted leaders. There are people who can't actually move

00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:45.480
beyond a certain place because it's so different. You've got to understand and experience this.

00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:50.760
What operates over the nation of India is so different from what operates over the nation

00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:56.120
of Canada. What operates in Greater Vancouver is different from what operates in Toronto.

00:51:56.120 --> 00:52:07.480
Some people are not given that sphere and some people are given that sphere. These are spheres

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decided not just by me or you. It's decided in the spiritual realms and by God.

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Sometimes we grow from sphere to sphere as we enlarge. Peter actually confined himself.

00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.640
Although he was given a larger sphere, Peter confined himself to Jews more.

00:52:28.680 --> 00:52:34.680
Paul did not have that limitation. He was able to operate amongst Jews, Gentiles, Kings, anyone.

00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:43.960
So there is something that is assigned by God. Number two, there is also a willingness to go

00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:52.440
that extra mile because those who are not willing to move can't. Apostolic needs strong stomachs

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in a sense like must be able to handle many things. Must be able to handle tiredness.

00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:07.000
There's some capabilities and abilities that is in those kinds of people that makes them adopt to

00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:16.840
different cultures within a few minutes. You need to be able to adopt to different cultures,

00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:24.440
different people. They are quite able to do that. This is a giftedness issue. There's some

00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:29.720
personality types attached to it. I believe. I don't have the whole gamut of it so I'm not teaching.

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I'm just exploring and understanding these things a little more every time as we start to move

00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.720
and understand the biblical understanding of what this apostolic theme is.

00:53:37.720 --> 00:53:48.680
They are gifted leaders for the progression of the gospel larger than a particular locale.

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They are people who evangelize, establish,

00:53:59.000 --> 00:53:59.960
appoint elders

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and multiply churches.

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They are gifted leaders for the progression of the gospel larger than a particular locale.

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And therefore apostolic leader is someone who is not just limited within

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greater Vancouver. Apostolic leader is a type of leader that's beyond that locale

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and he operates in a larger sphere.

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Is this okay?

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It was necessary. Yes, thanks.

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Yes.

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Old Testament. I think the old covenant. I think this was the plan of God right from beginning

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when he called Abraham and he said out of your family the whole nations of the world will be

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blessed and the heart of by which he gave them the promised land in a very strategic.

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You need to understand Israel and canon is a strategic location which is the centerpiece

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for the entire world. Even the location where Israel is placed

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as a people is at the midpoint of almost equidistant to all because it must be

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because the world is round I believe. But it's almost like that's the location and the locale

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that God chose for the people to be a kingdom of priests. That's the call. You are to be a kingdom

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or to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation so that the gentiles would come to the light.

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So you see evidences of it when God is calling all the nations through the prophets.

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So you see that at one point of time the nation of Israel suddenly shifting their entire call

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into becoming like the nations of the world.

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It happens during Judge Samuel and God had appointed leaders amongst them. The judges were

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leaders amongst them but suddenly they wanted a king like the other nations and then when Saul is

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appointed as king with a lot of warning of how they will go and what will happen because they

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wanted it. They got granted it with an equal heavy weightage on how this is going to destroy the nation

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and their call. And so you see from Saul's appointment Israel behaves like a

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wealthy nation and has deviated from the kingdom of priests and therefore the movement

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begins from the kingdom of priests and the hesitation right from beginning for them to come

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and approach God on Mount Sinai. And so the people of Israel are not able to do that.

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On Mount Sinai and then the appointment of someone in between God and them which is the priesthood.

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You are supposed to be a royal priesthood but then you have included a priest. You are going

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to be a nation which is theocracy that means God is your king but you wanted a king.

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You are a group of people that is a family a tribe of tribes with elders amongst you

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but now you wanted a king to rule over you. And so Israel actually loses the plot all along

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and then Jesus comes into the scene and he shakes the entire thing up and says no that's not how

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it's for all the people. So God so loved the world that he gave us only be your son.

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And apostolic giftedness that come out of the kingly the priestly and the king the priest and

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the prophet was Jesus. It's been distributed amongst his church the community so that that

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which Christ did would continue to be done in and through the apostolic and will be maintained and

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held together by the elders and deacons in each of the local communities which is the same as families.

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So that same pattern of the world continues on except that now we have a greater and a better

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understanding because of the death burial and resurrection of that this dividing wall between

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Jews and Gentiles have been broken. It's not a clarity for God it's a clarity for us right from

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beginning God has hired us for the for the whole not for a few but why he does that he is first

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setting apart of people and so you got to understand and recognize Jews are of Abraham was Abraham was

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not a Jew. Abraham today we don't really salute Iraqis but we need to there's a if you really go

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to the roots of Abraham is an Iraqi not an Israelite and a Jew.

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So who are the chosen people Iraqis?

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Man I'm gonna be killed cut that out.

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My name is Jacob.

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That's what you do every time my name is that big.

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Are you getting it I think I think let's let's proceed on to tomorrow.

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This is a good time to stop and any any other questions it'll be good to clarify this part of it

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so that tomorrow we can launch deeper.

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So that's why we need to put on what is the

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the

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so what what's going to happen is that it's it's false.

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So then we see

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and that's what we can do.

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So

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Let's