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Podcast: Acts 29 Vancouver
Episode: A City within the city
Publishing Date: 2026-05-03T03:04:44-07:00
Podcast URL: https://acts29.ca
Episode URL: https://acts29.ca/a-city-within-the-city/

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This is the budget that happened since we spoke to you, and Heidi will come and do that really quickly.

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So today we start a new series. It's called…

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Huh.

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Oh, but what happens if we keep going this way?

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Gosh, all of you will have to do this.

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Okay.

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Do you want to try it?

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No?

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Hey, Prosper won't have a problem.

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You've got some special skills, man.

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Okay, so today we start a series called

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A City Within the City.

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Derek, you just got it?

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A City Within the City.

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So in every city wherever there's a church, the church is actually a city that God is constructing.

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And we read about it in Psalm 48. So if you want to go to Psalm 48 first,

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I'll read from the passion translation.

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Passion translation.

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Psalm 48.

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Here's what it says.

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There are so many reasons to describe God as wonderful. So many reasons to praise him with unlimited praise.

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Zion City is his home.

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He lives on his holy mountain, high and glorious, joy-filled and favored.

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Zion Mountain looms in the farthest reaches of the north, the city of our incomparable king.

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This is his divine abode, an impenetrable citadel, for he is known to dwell in the highest place.

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See how the mighty kings united to come against Zion.

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Yet when they saw God manifest in front of their eyes, they were stunned.

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Trembling, they all fled away, gripped with fear.

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Seized with panic, they doubled up in frightful anguish like a woman in labor, pains of childbirth.

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Like a hurricane blowing and breaking the invading ships, God blows upon them and breaks them to pieces.

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We have heard about these wonders and then we saw with our own eyes.

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For this is the city of the commander of the angel armies.

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The city of our God, safe and secure forever.

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Pause in his presence, Selah.

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Lord, as we worship you in your temple, we recall over and over your kindness to us and your unending love.

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The fame of your name echoes throughout the entire world, accompanied with praises.

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Your right hand is full of victory.

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So let the people of Zion rejoice with gladness.

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Let the daughters of praise leap for joy, for God will see to it that you are judged fairly.

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Circle Zion, count her towers, consider her walls, climb her palaces,

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and then go and tell the coming generation of the care and the compassion of our God.

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Yes, this is our God, our great God forever.

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He will lead us onward until the end, through all time, beyond death and into eternity.

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Now go to Hebrews chapter 12.

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Hebrews 12. 22 onwards.

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Hebrews 12.

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22 onwards.

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Again, reading from the Passion Translation.

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Hebrews 12. 22 onwards.

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By contrast, we have already come near to God in a totally different realm, the Zion realm.

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For we have entered the city of the living God, which is the new Jerusalem in heaven.

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We have joined the festal gathering of myriads of angels in their joyous celebration.

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And as members of the church of the firstborn, all our names have been legally registered as citizens of heaven.

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And we have come before God, who judges all and who lives among the spirits of the righteous,

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who have been made perfect in his eyes.

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And we have come to Jesus, who established a new covenant with his blood, sprinkled upon the mercy seed,

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blood that continues to speak from heaven, forgiveness, a better message than Abel's blood, the Christ from the earth, justice.

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So in every city where the church exists, even if the church does not know it, in every city,

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there is another city, which is us that God is building.

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There is a city within the city.

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That's the series we'll stay on for the next little while.

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So within every city, within the city of Richmond, there is a city.

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And every church can claim this.

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But often we are like Jacob, who did not know that he was in the presence of God.

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In the same way, we are not aware.

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So we are to be a city.

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We are to be a city within this city.

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We are to be a city within this city.

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And this is why Jesus in Matthew 5.14, what does he say?

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You are the light of the world.

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Can you read it, Matthew 5.14?

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Matthew 5.14.

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Matthew 5.14.

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Here's what it says.

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You are the light of the world.

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A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.

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Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand.

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And it gives light to all the house.

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In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see you and your good works,

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and give glory to God your Father, who is in heaven.

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So we are to be a city within the city, and we are to be a city of light and of goodness.

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City of light and of goodness.

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Why?

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Because something has to blaze amidst darkness, sorrow, and evil.

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This is one of the reasons God places churches in cities.

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You know how many people it would have taken to save Sodom and Gomorrah?

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How many righteous would it have taken?

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Ten. Five.

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What is it, five or ten?

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Ten?

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Would it have taken ten to save Sodom and Gomorrah?

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Because God places churches in cities so that the city can be preserved,

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and the city can be made a place where things begin to once again turn around.

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So, Augustine actually wrote a book on the two cities, and the way he framed it is,

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there are two cities, in any city there are two cities.

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One is formed by love, and both these cities are formed by love.

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Only they are formed by two loves.

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One is the earthly love of self and the contempt of God,

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and the other is the heavenly love for God and the contempt of self.

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In every city this exists, in every city.

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And these two cities are constantly at war with each other.

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They are at war physically sometimes, they are at war philosophically,

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they are at war spiritually, they are at war culturally.

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This is our present situation too. It's always like this.

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Any questions before we go further?

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I mean, this is important to understand that in the city is a city, and you are that city.

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It's two different cities, two different intents.

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One is light and goodness, the other one is darkness and evil.

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And the light and goodness is supposed to change the darkness and evil.

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Any church that laments the condition of the city is a church that has lost its saltness.

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The intent of the church is, yes, it may be dark and evil, but I was part of that once,

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and I have been redeemed and brought into light.

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Therefore, it is my turn now to go and pay it forward.

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How we pay it forward is different, different skills, different giftings, different things that we do.

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The reason God has put us all together, and when you look at each other,

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you realize how different you are from the person sitting next to you.

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When we come with diverse gifts, by the way, Vignesh got a job, eh?

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Sere still holds the record. What were you, two years?

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Fifteen months. That's almost two years.

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Thirteen months. Beat you hollow, man.

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James, no, James was different circumstances.

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It's like he didn't make the playoffs kind of thing.

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Those are different. James was because he couldn't work because of his visa.

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Otherwise, the fellow works like crazy.

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Yeah. So we must realize that we are a city within a city.

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Is there a struggle with that? Is it easy to grasp?

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Is it hard to receive, believe?

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Everyone can claim it. I mean,

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it's like the different parts of my body. It's one body, but each one may serve a different function.

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But there is a city within every city, and it is the city of God.

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And the city of God is where he dwells, and he dwells here.

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He has a government here. He knows how to run this place. There's an order to it.

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There are resources to it. There are angelic armies. There are goals.

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There are things that need to be achieved. There are projects.

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There are things that we do for profit. He's a God who does things for profit.

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This is the only city or club that exists solely for the benefit of its nonmembers.

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This club called Christianity exists exclusively for the benefit of its nonmembers.

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The intent is, can we get ones who are nonmembers to become members?

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Does it apply to the body or to any case of individualism?

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Yeah. Claim it where?

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Individualism.

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Yeah. So how the city works in the larger city is when you go to work at City Hall,

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and she goes to work at a business, and she goes to work in a school, and he doesn't go to work.

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It doesn't matter that Aaron is working or not working.

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The moment we enter the larger city, we are now representatives of a city within the city.

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Do you know that when, I think it was Brutus, after murdering Caesar, Brutus escapes,

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and he goes to Philippi, and he hides in Philippi.

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And Caesar, Augustus Caesar comes to the gates of Philippi, and he begins to say to Philippi,

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listen, hand us Brutus, and we will spare you.

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Keep Brutus hidden, and we will destroy this city.

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And so they hand Brutus over.

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And Augustus also says to Philippi, you hand us Brutus, and we will reward you.

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And here's the reward. We will give you Roman citizenship.

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Brutus is handed over. Augustus gives Philippi Roman citizenship.

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Now remember this. Philippi is in Greece.

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And in the middle of Greece now is a colony that is Roman.

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Their architecture began to take on Roman bits.

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Their clothes began to take on Roman fashion.

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Everything about this little city in the rest of Greece began to look Roman.

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Now you understand why Paul, when he writes to Philippians, writes saying,

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do you not know that your citizenship is not here? Your citizenship is in heaven.

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He knew that the Philippians would get it because they now had dual citizenship.

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It was the most coveted passport in those days, Roman passports.

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And Greek don't get Roman passports, but in the middle of Greece was now a city that held Roman passports.

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It's the same principle. In the middle of Greece was a Roman city.

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In the middle of every city is a city run by God.

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And so what we take out of here is actually representative of a city that is within,

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that has been given a different citizenship, that operates by a set of different rules,

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that is actually a place where people can come and taste imperfect taste,

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but imperfect taste of the kingdom to come.

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Like if you were to come home and I would say, let me make you chicken korma,

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it would be very imperfect, but you would get a taste of chicken korma, or you will get a taste of chicken.

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But the point is this, that the church is supposed to be an imperfect taste of the kingdom to come.

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And so we can never do stuff like, oh, the church should be out there, not in here.

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The church should be in here and out there. If it ain't in here, it's useless out there.

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But in here, I mean, we need to gather like this.

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Gathering at Starbucks and sharing a scripture isn't church.

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We need to gather like this. From here, you know, even when the temple was built, you know how it was built?

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They would cut the stones in the quarry and then they would bring and put it together so that it would form.

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There's always two things to the city. We are built up here so that we can be sent out there.

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The worship happens here so that the city is affected.

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Most other religions know this. If you think that calling out to their gods five times a day does not affect people, atmosphere, rules, religion, norms,

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if you think it doesn't affect, then either we are foolish or they are foolish.

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Of course it affects.

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Everything about Christianity is supposed to be like this and then...

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Nothing is supposed to be like this.

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Go ahead, Vinny.

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I was seeing a lot of people, including the government and also some individual group, whatever, like that.

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They think Christianity is kind of like...that is a culture and they don't really accept it.

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Look at the people on the media. I was feeling so sorry for the people because the temple they are achieving is already out of date.

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Yeah, and so now it's our responsibility, it's William's responsibility, and my responsibility, to get an accurate understanding of who Jesus is

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and not just preach it, but first live it.

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Like I said earlier, the good news and the good works have to go together.

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Good works actually authenticate the proclaiming of the good news.

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I'm amazed at what Jesus says. They shall see your good works and they shall glorify the Father.

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Catholicism did so well in all parts of the world because the first thing that they would do as soon as they went into any country

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was they would establish schools and hospitals.

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The government there would give them prime land, prime property that even today is at the center of the city.

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Once they established good works, everything would open up for them.

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Smart.

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So these two cities are constantly at war, physically, spiritually, culturally, philosophically, and this was true of Goshen too.

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Remember Goshen in Egypt?

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Little group of Israelites in a little area called Goshen in Egypt, everywhere else things are going wrong, while in Goshen things are going right.

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Things must be distinct here as compared to the rest of Richmond and the rest of the world.

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We must have a distinct identity because of the presence of God in our midst.

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And when that does not happen, we must do everything in our power to ready ourselves so we can access everything that Christ is.

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Everything that the communion is supposed to do for us should be ours and never back off from that.

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Let not time become your enemy.

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Always make time an ally, saying, but I know God is true, therefore it has to.

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And so in here people should come and see what it is for someone who just lost a dad or mom to be hopeful and joyful.

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In here someone should come and see someone who lost their job or has been without a job for 13 months and 15 months.

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And yet they don't look like they hate people, hate the government or hate God.

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Someone should come in here and see that people trust God every day for healing, getting up tomorrow and saying today might be the day because I know Jesus Christ heals.

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It's strange, eh? We're not talking about triumphalism here. We're talking about living God in our midst.

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Someone should be able to listen to, send story and say, Gosh, how do you forgive?

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That's what makes us distinct.

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This kind of a city, no human hands can build.

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The only one who can build a city like this is God in our midst.

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And he is. And those nail scarred hands are good building hands, man.

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That's what I hope the van will be known for. Oh, there comes that van.

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There are those people. Which people? Those people that are strange and different.

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Who are they? Don't know their names, but they're Christians.

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There are some distinctives that we should remember. What makes us distinct is these three things.

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Light is a natural result.

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Light is a natural result of one, the nature of Christ in us.

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Two, the work of the Spirit through us.

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Three, the nature of faith from us.

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Light is a natural result of these three things.

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The first thing is the nature of Christ in us.

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It says in Ephesians 3.16, and this is a beautiful prayer to pray.

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Ephesians 3.16 says, Oh God, I'm praying to you and I ask that you would grant me through the Holy Spirit,

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divine power that will strengthen my inner man out of the wealth of your glory.

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Rephrase, Oh God, I know you are very rich.

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You have such a tremendous wealth of glory as in your attributes are so splendid.

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So I'm asking that given that you're so glorious, could you by your Holy Spirit,

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strengthen my inner man with divine power?

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Could you please do that?

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And then you go to Ephesians 4.24 and it talks about the inner man.

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It says your inner man, everybody here who is born again,

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your inner man is made in the image of Christ in holiness and in righteousness.

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Crazy.

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It says your inner man as in Pawan's inner man, my inner man,

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Prosper's inner man, Reni's inner man is actually reformed, remade, renewed in the likeness and image of Jesus Christ.

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Like it was done in Eden, so it has been done again.

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In true righteousness and holiness.

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Just like Jesus formed Adam, so he reformed my inner man.

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Just like he made Adam in his image and likeness, he made my new spirit in his image and likeness.

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Just like he made Adam pure, so he has made me righteous and holy.

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And then he says, now that you have this, can you also ask the Holy Spirit to give you divine power to live it out?

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That's what he's asking in Ephesians 3.16.

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Now that you know Christ lives in you, now that you know you have a new spirit,

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can you ask the Holy Spirit to give you divine power to strengthen you so that you can live it out instead of living by the soul?

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So that's one set. The next one, the work of the Spirit, Isaiah 61, 1-4.

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The Spirit of the Lord is upon me.

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Light is natural when we begin to let the Spirit of God work through us.

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Working through us, I mean, if I want to get that tambourine, I'll have to walk towards it.

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It doesn't matter how wonderful the Holy Spirit is.

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Holy Spirit, please give me that tambourine. Please give me that tambourine. Please give me that tambourine.

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Nothing is going to happen.

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One of you may take pity and bring the tambourine to me, but otherwise it requires going out.

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And it requires going out, and it requires risk.

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Isaiah 61 is impossible without risk.

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Isaiah 58, 6-12 is impossible without risk.

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Isaiah 58, 6-12 says, hey, what kind of fast do I want of you?

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To undo oppression, to rebuild the ruins, to be repairers of the breach in Richmond.

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And then the third one, the nature of faith from us.

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The nature of faith from us.

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Light cannot shine in a dark place till there is faith.

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Light did not shine in a dark place in Genesis 1, 1, till God spoke.

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And with His words, He created light in darkness.

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The principle is still the same.

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The nature of faith from us.

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Any questions on that before we move on?

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Okay.

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Yeah. You and I can talk about that. Yeah. We'll talk about that later.

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So then one of the things we need to realize is once we realize we're a city inside a city,

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this city is full of only three types of people.

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And you possess all three types. It's three types that are in you.

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And we take after our king. He was a prophet, he was a priest, and he was a king.

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Our equation or our DNA is exactly the same.

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In the city, our kings, priests, and prophets, and they exist in all of us because Christ exists in all of us.

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What does a king do? The king has the ability to let the rule, his benevolent rule, now spread into the city.

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Kings have the ability to counter opposing forces and powers that put people into bondage.

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That's what kings do. What do prophets do?

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Prophets begin to speak and reveal the will of God in the largest city.

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What else do prophets do? Prophets stand for justice and do acts that will bring justice

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because any prophetic without a desire for justice will always fall flat.

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And what do priests do? Priests intercede. They pray for people. Why?

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Because they can access the throne of mercy and grace.

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When the church begins to condemn the city instead of accessing the throne of mercy and grace for the city,

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the church abrogates its actual responsibility.

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That's one of the things that we have to enter into is how do we intercede for the city?

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How do we intercede for the city?

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No. They're all present in us. Christ is present in us. He is prophet, priest and king.

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And so these qualities already exist. These qualities of learning how to rule benevolently,

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as in discharge His rule in the city, to speak and tell people about what He's up to,

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to be able to intercede for people. They all exist in us because Christ exists in us.

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City within a city. And we'll repeat it again and again and again until it won't leave us.

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Go to Isaiah 62, verse 6 and 7. Isaiah 62, verse 6 and 7.

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Just want to start on what intercession will look like. Isaiah 62, verse 6 and 7. Isaiah 62, verse 6 and 7.

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On your walls, O Jerusalem, I have set watchmen. All the day and all the night they shall never be silent.

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You who put the Lord in remembrance, take no rest and give Him no rest until He establishes Jerusalem

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and makes it a praise in the earth. Amazing, eh? God is literally saying, listen, I dare you, give me no rest.

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I post you on the walls of Richmond. Give me no rest. Start asking. Start praying. Give me no rest.

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Tell me silent. Night and day.

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Jesus interceded when He was on earth and if you check Hebrews 7.25, He's still doing that for us.

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So what does the word intercede mean? Two meanings to it. One, to strike against. Two, to come between and entreat or cry out.

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Two, to come between and entreat or cry out. That's what it means. Both words. It has two sides to it.

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So in a sense, intercession is engagement. On one hand, we are engaging with God first.

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On the other hand, we are engaging, after we engage God, we are engaging the enemy and enforcing Christ's victory.

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It's both. It's both.

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But here are some fundamentals when it comes to intercession. Please don't forget this because intercession can go completely warped

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and super religious and very Christian but not God. These are some fundamentals that we have to keep in mind.

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Please don't forget this. One, intercession, I'll just call it I, is still coming out of a unique father-son operation.

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It's coming out of father-son intimacies. Please don't lose this. Please don't lose this.

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You lose this, it'll look amazing but it'll suck and it'll stink. I've seen this in India. I've seen this in the Middle East

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where intercession is almost like Luke 18, knocking on the doors of an importunate judge who is unwilling to relent.

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That's not intercession. Lose the father-son operation that comes out of father-son intimacies and it will look amazing.

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It will look like books written in the old. It will look like, oh, carry on the Lord, my brother, but it will not be actual intercession.

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I would suggest to you that when Jesus went up the mountain to pray a whole night before he chose his disciples,

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he was in saying, oh God, I hope I get it right. Oh God, please make sure you pick 12. Oh God, I implore you.

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No, he must have been discussing. So what do you think about Judas? And the father will reply, he's going to betray you.

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You still want him? Yeah, I do. John, the father will say, but isn't he too young? That's exactly what I want him for, father.

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I want to train him. He'll last forever. He'll go to the island of Patmos. Peter, oh my God, Jesus would have told him.

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He puts his foot in his mouth every time he speaks. But the father says, but I know that boy. He's going to work out.

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These are father-son operations that come out of father-son uniquenesses. We lose that. We lose intercession.

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I'm emphasizing this because I know what intercession can begin to look like. How we got to break that.

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Anytime, anything Christian does not come out of a father-son relationship. It is no longer Christian.

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When Jesus talks about the importunate widow and how importunate judge and how the woman goes appealing and he says, my God, I'm tired of you.

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You're veering me out. I'll grant you your request. You should read the rest of the lines. It says in Luke 18, eight, Jesus says,

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if that is the case with an importunate judge, don't you realize that I will do it for you much more speedily.

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Intercession can turn into resentment against a stubborn God.

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Intercession does come with emotions, but the emotion should be the result of your heart bearing a burden,

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either for the one you're interceding or your heart bearing indignation against injustice and against the enemy.

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Any emotion that comes from any other place will eventually besmirch the face of God.

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There were times when I would return home from doing things in Vancouver and I'd get home and my mom and another lady,

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really both of them were very nice. My mom was definitely nice and the other lady was also nice.

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And I would come home and by the time I enter the corridor, I could hear loud wailing.

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Man, it was like someone had died and you would go open the door and it would be my mom and this lady just wailing away and crying.

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Sometimes for me, sometimes for Dawn, sometimes for Derek, definitely for Derek, but they would be wailing and crying.

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And you would think to yourself, why? And I would go and say, I mean, why is it that you have to cry so loudly?

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Why is it that every time you pray, you have to cry so loudly? Can't God do this without you crying?

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And that would always end up in an argument which I would lose.

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But the point is this, I'm not saying emotions should not come, but emotion should be a result of the burden or the indignation.

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If not, it begins to turn against God.

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Even when he's crying in the garden of Gethsemane, he still maintains the father-son relationship.

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And he says, father, not my will, but yours be done.

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Guys, what I'm saying here is going to be so not well received by many, but I really don't care because it is biblical and it comes from the father-son equation.

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We've got to bring things back to that one relationship that is critical to our existence.

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Everything else is religion. And you must possess a hatred for religion.

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Intercession is provoked by God. Like everything else that comes out of a relationship, intercession is provoked by God.

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It is initiated by God and it's also ended by God.

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Here is a guy on a mountain interceding. Hours have gone by.

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His servant is deciding, maybe this is not good employment, I should have done this.

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But he says, go up a fifth time, go up a sixth time, go up a seventh time.

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And the seventh time, all he sees is a fifth-sized cloud, guys.

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But he knows why. Why does he know? Because God is saying, enough, you've gotten what you've gotten, you can leave.

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And so he gets up and he doesn't wait.

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Here's the thing. You know how normal intercessors work?

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I've seen a fifth-sized cloud, I can't leave yet.

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Then I've seen a second cloud, I can't leave yet.

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And then I've seen a third cloud, I can't leave yet.

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And then I've seen a fourth cloud, I can't leave yet.

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You know how normal intercessors work? I've seen a fifth-sized cloud, I can't leave yet.

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That fifth-sized cloud now has to become something bigger.

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No, God says, you're done, leave.

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What does he do? He gets into a chariot.

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He tells Ahab to get into a chariot and he says, I hear the sound of rain, off you go.

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Intercession is provoked by God. Intercession is ended by God.

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Intercession requires God to tell you what he needs you to pray.

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Intercession is never based on the needs of the people.

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It is always based on the provocation of God, who is aware of the needs of the people.

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You can cry for the needs of the people, but you will be surprised at how sometimes God is not crying for the needs of the people.

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Because he has a completely different solution to it.

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It is critical in intercession that I know what God wants.

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I may have sympathy for him.

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Oh God, please Lord, with prosperity, God's responses, that boy is strong enough.

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I know you feel sympathy for him, but here's what I want you to do for him.

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Any questions? Push back.

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From the Bible, if you can show that it works any other way, then don't go to the Old Testament because they didn't know the Father.

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Show me from the New Testament how it can operate any other way than this.

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Gosh guys, you have no idea how we need to reshape things.

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If we don't, it's going to go the same way it has gone for 200 years.

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Here's another thing, and we'll end with this.

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Intercessors come in different shapes and forms and can be gifted differently.

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Which means then that if I am gifted a certain way, then I am gifted a certain way.

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This is so normal, and usually it's with the pastoral.

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If I'm gifted a certain way, Jacob is gifted a certain way, and he has certain emotions that come with his way of intercession.

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This is so normal, and usually it's with the pastoral.

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If I'm gifted a certain way, Jacob is gifted a certain way, and he has certain emotions that come with his way of intercession.

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And if he has certain habits that come with intercession, then what happens is this becomes the method that everyone now has to subscribe to.

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And that defeats how God wants it.

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Because at the end of the day, be it corporate or be it individual intercession, it's again a unique relationship between father and son and father and the corporate son.

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Sure, there'll be ways that I may say this is how we should do it today, but look at the different giftings of intercession.

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And there are biblical examples for it.

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One, some can do lists.

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Some can do lists.

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I'm fascinated by these people.

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I find it super boring to take their church directory and go through six names, praying for them.

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There are people that do it so brilliantly.

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Other examples in the Bible, Ezra.

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That whole book is full of lists.

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Either he's listing individuals or he's listing families, and he would go and pray for them.

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Some people are good with lists.

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Some people are good with lists.

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People who pray like this are very faithful.

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People who can do lists are usually super faithful, and they have done it for 30, 40 years, man.

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Second, some can be called to pray regularly for one person.

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Regularly for one person.

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Someone who did this in the Bible was Simeon.

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He kept praying for the appearance of the consolation of Israel, this Jesus.

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Oh God, when? One person.

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There are people like that who can spend years praying for one person.

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Not just for their salvation.

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After they get saved, they move on to something else.

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There were two ladies like this when I was not a believer who would fast and pray every Tuesday or Thursday for me.

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For years on end, and they would just get news that kept getting worse.

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You don't have to laugh, Crossbow.

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Until eventually, when I got saved, there were some of the first people I called.

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Next one.

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There are some people who can pray decisively in crisis.

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They can intervene in life and death situations.

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It's almost like an intervention through prayer.

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One of the guys who would really pray well in crisis was David.

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When you look at his Psalms, every third Psalm is a crisis.

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But he knew how to pray, man.

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He knew how to pray.

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He knew how to pray, man.

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He knew how to intercede when it came to crisis.

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These are different ways.

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You may have a way. It doesn't mean you get stuck there.

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But you need to know that we are all gifted by God to intercede certain ways and then learn other ways.

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Another one is...

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Okay.

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Pardon?

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They know what God is saying and how to intervene in the crisis.

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So that...

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Where there was death, you bring life, Lord.

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Where there was fear, you bring courage.

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When I was afraid, you were with me.

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And you lifted me up.

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You lifted me up.

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Yeah.

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I think I'll respond to you in song from now on.

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I should have done it years ago.

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Some are appointed to pray for cities and nations.

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One of the guys who was good at it was Daniel.

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And his prayer, his intercession, not only changed the situation of cities and nations then,

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but changed it a thousand years into the future too, which is just nuts.

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Intercession may be done now, but it can affect 300, 400 years from now.

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Just think of that, guys.

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Another method of intercession is when you pray for leaders, politics, or political issues like abortion, like rights, cultural issues.

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One of the guys who was very well known at this is William Wilberforce,

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who brought about the abolishment of slavery, championed education, and a restoration of moral behavior in public spaces.

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He was one... When you read his life story, the guy would spend hours praying.

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He was a politician, and one of the first things he does when he decides to go to the South is he says,

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I will make sure that I spend an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening.

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That's how he started off.

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Some have the ability to do this.

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Here's another one. Some can pray for extended family.

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I've met people who prayed for the extended family till everyone got saved.

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Everyone got saved.

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Not a single person left.

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Stubborn grandfather, raised from the dead grandmother who hadn't gotten saved,

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children, grandchildren, all of them saved. They just keep at it, eh?

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Eureka!

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Not waking up.

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Extended family.

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Next one.

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Some persist in praying for physical and emotional wounds and healing.

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And sometimes they can do it corporately, too, for large groups of people that are wounded.

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How many of you remember Jim Caruso?

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Many of you met him at the Young Adults Conference some years ago.

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He used to pastor Richmond Pentecostal at one point.

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So this is an amazing story.

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You want to hear these kind of intercessors?

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Jim and his wife live in Langley.

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They wake up in the morning, read the newspaper, and they find out that there's this horrible shooting that has happened at Tumbler Ridge.

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He can't bear it. He's pacing up and down, doesn't know what to do.

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So he decides to do the only thing that seems practical.

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He jumps into his car and he drives a thousand kilometers with his wife to Tumbler Ridge.

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What's he there for? He's there for only one simple thing.

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He wants to go hug somebody and comfort them.

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He wants to take away the wound of what has happened in Tumbler Ridge.

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He ends up going there, meets a reporter, talks to him, finds people, hugs them, brings comfort to them.

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One of his desires was that he eventually get to speak to the parents of the shooter.

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Eventually he gets to do that, too.

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The strange thing is he does it quietly, nobody knows.

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You know how I found out.

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Because when Carney delivered the State of the Union in the Parliament of our Canadian State of the Union kind of thing,

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he was talking about Canada and how rich the people of Canada are.

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And one of the things he said was, I spoke to Jim Caruso, who drove all the way from Langley to Tumbler Ridge,

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and all he desired was to hug somebody and comfort them after the shooting.

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And I'm thinking to myself, this man drives a thousand kilometers just to do that.

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Something immediately triggered in him. None of us thought of it.

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For him it was the first thought.

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Guys, we are gifted certain ways.

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We're not supposed to get stuck in the way we are gifted,

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because then we become specialized and Christianity hates, Jesus doesn't like specialization.

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But we are gifted, we choose that, and then we fan out to learn the other ways.

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Chris, you know Jim?

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Yes.

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Yep.

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Next one.

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Some pray for souls to be saved.

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Souls to be saved.

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And they specifically have this fervency for souls.

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And they can pray, sometimes they pray for the Muslim world, sometimes they pray, like Jackie Pullinger.

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Some of you have read a book, Chasing the Dragon.

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She used to weep and pray for the addicts in Hong Kong.

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And because of her prayer, a strange thing would happen.

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These would be addicts who were in triad gangs and were completely undone by heroin.

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And she would go pray for them.

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And they would, she would pray for them and lay hands on them.

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And addicts would begin to speak in tongues and get filled with the Holy Spirit and be delivered immediately.

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But the burden was for the addicts, the burden was, oh God, please.

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This God is more merciful than you can imagine.

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I hate it when I have to go plead with him, beg with him, implore him.

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Because there's something about it that destroys my simple son-father relationship.

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Because I did not have to do it with my dad, except when I wanted something he didn't want to give me because it was bad for me.

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Some pray for the Muslim world.

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Some pray for the wall in Berlin and the Iron Curtain to fall.

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For addicts in Hong Kong, for Iranians.

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Two more and we are done.

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Some fight.

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Some fight the enemy in prayer.

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Some fight or intercede against the enemy in prayer.

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And they are able to block, thwart, overcome or shut down.

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Demonic activity.

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And then the last one, some can intercede.

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Some intercede through worship.

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Some intercede through worship.

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Some intercede through worship.

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Like Miriam.

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How do you do that?

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You have this acute awareness that your dancing, your flags, your instrument playing, your kneeling, your shouts are actually more than what most people may be doing.

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It's beautiful when you're aware of it.

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Like I met drummers who can drum and they drum not for the music team.

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Yes, they do.

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But they're not drumming for the music team.

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They're not even drumming for the worship band or the worship congregation.

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They're drumming because they know that the way they drum is exactly how, at that moment, God needs to hear it.

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This is what David did when he started playing the harp.

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At the end of the day, find your groove.

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Once you find your groove, realize that, okay, this is where I'm gifted in intercession.

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But now that I'm gifted in this, let me learn the other ways too.

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Because if you don't learn the other ways, you get specialized and specialization is not something one should desire in the kingdom.

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Any questions?

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Any questions, guys?

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I can look at people in this church and I can immediately tell you some that are gifted a certain way.

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I know the one that I find groovy.

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I know it's a very old fashioned word, but Dillon understands and Mike understands.

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And so there are people here that I can tell you will pray a certain way and can pray strong in that track, but doesn't mean you stay in that.

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And when it's your track, you'll be surprised that you can spend one and a half hours doing that and not feel exhausted.

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Well, I'll ask me to do a list and it's like, now what do I do?

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Any other questions?

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Okay.

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Okay, so either Salome or Shobha can come up and end the service.

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If you need prayer, there'll be people here to pray with you.

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Lord, our heavenly Father, we thank you for the time you've given us to come in your presence.

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Father, we know what we are today is nothing but your grace, Lord.

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Father, we know when we are in your fellowship, Lord, there is joy, there is courage, there is strength, Lord.

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For you alone are our Redeemer and our Healer.

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You know in and out of us, Lord.

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Father, you know the desires of each one of us here, Lord.

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As we heard the words today, Lord, strengthen us by your words.

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Father, we heard that we are a city, Lord.

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And we have helped us to understand how important our lives are to others, Lord.

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Lord, give us the passion to have concern for others, to intercede for others, Lord.

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Intercede in the way that you want us to intercede, Lord.

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Father, give us a burden for those who are not knowing, Father.

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Give us a burden for their souls, Lord.

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Father, we pray for all those who are in need of our prayers, Lord.

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There are many who are not having jobs.

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There are many who are in a depressed state of mind, Lord.

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Lord, I pray that you intervene with each one of them, Lord.

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Father, help us to be living testimonies wherever we are, Lord.

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Lord, in whatever situation we are, Lord, help us to look upon you alone, Lord.

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We commit each one of us into your mighty hands, Lord.

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We especially pray for Pastor Jacob, Lord.

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As he's ministering your word, we pray that you empower him, Lord.

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Let each one of us be strengthened by your word, Lord.

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Forgive all the shortcomings in our lives.

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Everything we ask in the sweet and matchless name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

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Amen. Awesome. Thank you, guys.

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Bless you, Salome and Shobha.

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One of them will be leaving this room.
